To think that UK bound lorry drivers should boycott Calais?

[Libitina]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33240475

The local police would soon do something to protect them then. If it was my husband (he's not a lorry driver) I would be so worried about his personal saftey. How long before someone is hurt or killed?

Ijjk - what makes you deserve being here?

'A test on whether you deserve to be here'. My God, that is truly shocking and you should be ashamed. Deserve ?? You are talking about people's lives here. Everyone on this earth deserves to live somewhere safe and comfortable and anyone who thinks they are more deserving than others is an absolute disgrace.

Most of these people are economic migrants, they are not all running from danger, they want to come here because they wrongly think they will be given a house and money. When they dont get this they turn to crime.

We, too have the right to live safely which wont be the case when we are being robbed, scammed and mugged.

The idea that "economic migrants" (such a hateful term) come here because they want to live on benefits is a xenophobic myth. When I arrived ten years ago I had no qualifications other than an A-level equivalent and took a low pay low skill temp job in a low pay low skill northern small town. I managed to build a life and career I wouldn't have had ever the chance to have where I grew up because of how the system works in my home country.

Do I deserve to be here?

No. I reserve my sympathy for genuine refugees. The women with children who flee to the next place where they are safe from being murdered. The elderly who do the same. I would much rather that we as a state spent our money on helping those people, rather than defending against a load of economic migrants who are already somewhere safe.

Most if not all criminals I've had the dubious pleasure to encounter over here appear to have been of the white British born variety. But of course it's easier to blame crime figures on foreigners

I didn't ask for your sympathy, Aer, I asked whether I "deserved" the life I built for myself.

If you were willing to work and support yourself then theres no problem. These days there are not enough jobs, houses and resources to take in thousands of people at a time, especially when they are expecting everything given to them for nothing.

widow you only have to watch the news to see they are threatening lorry drivers, and breaking into lorries, thats criminal.

How would you feel after making a life for yourself here and then someone came along and took your job because they were willing to be paid a lot less than you. You then lost your home because you couldn't pay the rent but they dont have the expenses you do because they are happy to live 10 to a room.

Moreshabby, I think you'll find that part of the reason they want to get to the UK is they speak the language and could work. If they wanted everything given to them for nothing they could stay in France where they get quicker access to housing and benefits than here.

If they do succeed in getting here they will be exploited. ...a good enough reason to try and stop them

Nor do I believe they are happy to live "10 to a room" but we are back to exploitation again there.

It frightens me that we don't know exactly who these people are.
They could be rapists, murderers or even jihadi.

I think those without papers should be locked in detention centres until we find out who they are. Yes that's extreme but we need to protect our own citizens.

It was only in the papers the other day about a bloke living amongst us who had committed mass murder. How the feck was he allowed in?

My own uncle is an asylum seeker from Ghana. He came through Calais on a lorry too.
He had criminal convictions from his home country. Yet he's allowed to live here. It's bloody bonkers.

widow I have no problem with immigrants as long as they come here using the right channels.

Lorry drivers get fined if they get caught with an illegal in board. What about their families? They could end up bankrupt without a job.

Moreshabby - you complain about people expecting something for nothing and seem to think at the same time that people steal jobs. You can't have it both ways.

Asylum seekers are not allowed to work until they've been granted refugee status ( and thus stop being asylum seekers). They have to rely on benefits because legally they can't do anything else.

People who are allowed to work and are being exploited shouldn't be the target of anger, but those who exploit them. The black market is a problem, but again, that's not a problem caused by immigrants and it's not immigrants alone working in the black economy. Target your wrath at their customers.

Mypubes your wish is already reality, people are already locked up in detention centres (or prisons to use the less sanitised term), indefinitely, often for years, for "administrative reasons". Without right to appeal, and even if willing to leave won't be released until processed, for example like this women and her husband, who wanted to come for a ten day holiday and were imprisoned for a month instead and had her husband die in detention.
rt.com/uk/252385-yarls-wood-widow-strike/

Yarl's Wood is a disgrace

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-33075624

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33036108

What other solution is there widow?
I thought yarls wood was for failed asylum seekers waiting to be sent home? If they released them they would abscond.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mohamed-salim-war-criminal-being-5915887

I don't want people like him living amongst us. He's a danger to society.

widow there are not enough jobs for the people already here so they would struggle to find legitimate work, I was using the scenario of taking your job as an example.

They are not asylum seekers, if they were they could claim asylum in any of the countries they pass through before they reach here. They are illegal immigrants!

If you had read the linked articles you'd know that your assumption is wrong. And I've no idea what the war criminal has to do with/does justify the abysmal treatment people receive at places like Yarl's Wood. Where they sometimes end up imprisoned for years.

and as I pointed out, threatening people with iron bars and knives and breaking into lorries make them criminals.

Please dont make me keep repeating myself.

Moreshabby You could argue I have taken someone's job when I arrived, so your example doesn't really do it for me. Sorry.

Ijjk - what makes you deserve being here?

I came on a temporary post-graduate work permit. After that my job was advertised EU wide and my employer had to argue that I was the ONLY qualified applicant. Employer had to re-apply annually for my work permit. Eventually I qualified for ILR. A long time later I studied & paid a small amount of money to pass the Life IN Uk test, and later paid a stinking amount of money & swore an oath of loyalty to the crown in public.

My current job (for a large national UK govt branch), I was again the ONLY qualified applicant.

What do I know. Maybe the best people to be future UK residents are those folk able to cling to the underside of a caravan for 8 hrs.

So like me you were born in the privileged position that enabled you to work towards citizenship. So only people who already have been born with considerable privilege may strive to live wherever they want?

Someone prepared to travel thousands of miles across Europe, endure squalid conditions in informal camps, and get to the UK clinging to the underside of a lorry has, at the very least, an impressive determination to get on his or her metaphoric bike in order to better him/herself. I thought you right wingers approved of that?

More seriously, I don't think there are any easy answers here. Uncontrolled immigration certainly isn't politically or socially attractive. But these are human beings above everything else, and despite what has been repeated ad nauseum on this thread (with no evidence, and precious little understanding of why these people are fleeing), many of these migrants do probably qualify for refugee status.