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to be utterly disgusted at people's comments re. welfare cuts

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HappyGoLuckyGirl · 22/06/2015 10:31

Yes, I'm aware that our welfare system needs reforming. I do not profess to know how this should be done.

I've just read a few articles on the proposed cuts that primarily focused on reducing tax credits. The vitrol is appalling. I can't believe this is the country I live in.

I am a single mother working 40 hours a week also mid way through a 5 year part time degree. I earn slightly over minimum wage. Things are tight enough as it is, with the tax credits I get (80% of which goes on my weekly childcare bill) and now they are planning to reduce them.

I am trying to better myself so I don't always have to rely on benefits to get me through the month and yet I'm being punished! Why are working people being targeted? How is that fair in the slightest? If I wasn't so furious I would cry.

And as for people saying that employers should raise workers wages, I can say with 100% surety that if I approached my employer and asked for a living wage (increase of £8k+) I would be flat out refused and or fired. And I work in a skilled job! What hope do people who work for a large multi-national company have?

I am very Sad this morning.

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Ledare · 22/06/2015 22:28

Selfless. An absolute hero!

DixieNormas · 22/06/2015 22:29

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Oswin · 22/06/2015 22:30

Jesus your like a broken record. You will never ever get it. Cuz your privileged. You got a nice life. Nice education. Good health. So can't wrap your tiny mind why everyone can't be like you.
You might have a very important job and be very intelligent but fuck me your ignorant. You have no clue.
And this people is what we are up against. People who no nothing of being ill, disabled or a carer. Who no nothing of making the choice between heat or food.
Makes me fucking mad.

JoffreyBaratheonFirstofHisName · 22/06/2015 22:33

What book is IDS the hero in? Mein Kampf?

Bakeoffcake · 22/06/2015 22:33

Let's just go back to Victorian times, one Sunday off a month.

I need my chimney sweeping, anyone got a small child?

OutsSelf · 22/06/2015 22:34

22% isn't "most of us," Lotus.

You are deluded if you think you are working harder than people on this thread and on tc. Billable hours aren't the sum of most people's work. What a very convenient narrative you write for yourself.

maddening · 22/06/2015 22:34

I think the minimum wage should be based on a company's profit - so the higher the profit the higher the minimum wage for it's staff.

The minimum wage has to be subsidised by tax credits imo as we cannot compete globally on wages with our standard and cost of living - that is delivered on a sliding scale to the workers but should be taken back on a sliding scale with the increased profit delivered by uk workers.

The biggest problem with removing Tc imo is that wages would have to rise to accommodate that or people will not be able to live - small companies with narrow margins and modest profits would be out of business not to mention the fragile nature of the economy both in the uk and Europe.

I do think though that the cuts should come from those untouched as yet - eg pensioners its larger incomes who do not need the money from the taxpayer and attacking the taxes not paid by big businesses.

workingdilemma · 22/06/2015 22:37

Lotus if you are trying to prove poe's law, you are doing an outstanding job!

If not, i don't see how you can state that the minority of the country don't support the conservatives, when it's a fact that only 24% of eligible voters actually voted for them. I thought you were a genius - or are numbers not your thing.

Not that i would vote for any of our 'parties' - all of them are awful. They either can't do arithmetic, lie or are simply clueless.

Bring on the debt apocalypse i say. Everyone needs a wake up call.

TrixLestrange · 22/06/2015 22:38

Lotus have you really nothing better to do with the 108 hours left in your non working time, than than to come on here being a massive thundercunt spouting absolute nonsense on every single thread that mentions benefits.

May I suggest you spend some time with your family or take up a hobby, it may ease your jealousy of others choosing to try to have some semblance of a work/life balance and bring their own children up.

Dawndonnaagain · 22/06/2015 22:45

Lotus has been spouting the same nonsense for years. I do wonder if she bills her clients in the same way she messes with political numbers. Would anyone get away with paying her 22% then claim they'd paid most of their bill!Grin

Doobydoo · 22/06/2015 22:50

Yanbu op. If the gov really gave a shite they would make it law that at least living wage is paid. I know people that work 60 odd hours a week min wage.... They will prob have to leave the country as they dont earn 35k. The cleaners where i work voted Tory! .... They might regret it.

cruikshank · 22/06/2015 22:50

Aermingus, what you are saying doesn't add up. Most people on tax credits get far far more from them than they pay out in tax. Taking a little off of people's tax bill will not compensate for the loss of tax credits.

SeraOfeliaFalfurrias I agree completely. This govt says it wants to make work pay - well, force employers to pay more then. That would sort it. And all of the belly-aching about the Housing Benefit bill would be solved in one fell swoop with rent controls. You know, like we used to have, and like most other countries including even the bloody US, bastion of the free market economy, has.

needmorespace · 22/06/2015 22:50

I think she is actually winding everyone up - seriously. No-one can be that ignorant, unkind and detached from reality surely?

sharonthewaspandthewineywall · 22/06/2015 22:53

Lotus ffs try getting any shop job that allows you to work when your husband is well enough to look after the kids but otherwise have to let them down. It just doesn't work that way. And nowadays even the crappiest 8 hour a week shops jobs tend to specify people 'must be flexible'

scarlets · 22/06/2015 22:58

They are being very mysterious. They must know exactly what they're cutting. Why not announce it? So annoying.

People are anxious. Speculation as a result of online gossip and little hints from politicians, is really unhelpful.

ElectraCute · 22/06/2015 22:59

Ah well, sharon, that's just your own silly fault for having to consider shop work, isn't it? Shop work is for stupid, lazy women who aren't clever enough to be lawyers.

Ain't that right Xenia Lotus?

cruikshank · 22/06/2015 22:59

Not only is lotus a massive thundercunt; she is also a sponger.

She has said that she is in the top 1% of UK earners. That top 1% take home the same amount of money as 55% of the UK's population, but contribute only 30% to the entire tax take.

When are you going to start paying your way, lotuslight? You are giving nowhere near the contribution, percentage-wise, in terms of hard-earned cash, to this country that every other person on here does.

workingdilemma · 22/06/2015 23:00

Definite wind up from Lotus. Really good work! No-one could be write that line about IDS seriously - its beyond parody.

GiddyOnZackHunt · 22/06/2015 23:01

In all seriousness Lotus did you ever have any counselling? There"s being driven and then there's obsession. A couple of friends of mine who have earnings at your level are far more normal and compassionate. They love their work but they love their lives and have time for levity. I do wonder what damaged you?

workingdilemma · 22/06/2015 23:04

Shall we move onto your love of buy to let Lotus? That's always good for a laugh.

ilovesooty · 22/06/2015 23:04

Lotus you might have built a lot of success but obviously didn't develop any self awareness in the process.

sharonthewaspandthewineywall · 22/06/2015 23:05

Indeed all shop workers are as thick as mince. It's not like some of them have had to work in one due to family circumstances or because they couldn't get a job after uni. It's because they didn't work as hard as lotuslight did! Damn their work ethic!

bloodyteenagers · 22/06/2015 23:09

I actually don't understand how reducing Tc to force companies to pay a decent wage would save anything.
There are huge numbers of workers who work in council departments, hmrc, dwp, nhs, education, emergency services, refuse collection etc who will also require a pay rise.
Start with those on minimum wage and this surely would push up all bands.

Someone suggested linking to profits.. How would this work with non profit companies?

Tc is taken. I am fucked as many are. Have to find an additional job, which of course pushes up childcare and outside regular hours you are paying a premium. Plus how many
Childcare providers want to work more hours. Plus as with op try and do this and study.

Someone else said of two parents need to pay. Very short sighted point of view. Cannot pay from the other side. The feckless they hide. Some even disappear to other countries. Chasing costs the rp money they simply don't have.

Tootyfilou · 22/06/2015 23:28

lotus by your logic the only reason we have poverty in this country is because 'poor' people are lazy and don't work HARD enough, sure, these people who are receiving tax credits are working but why don't they work more,you say, to look after THEIR children. Yet isn't it odd that most of the jobs that require the "hardest" work and the most physical labour are the ones that often pay the least. The people who do this work, work fundamental to our economy and society, who contribute so greatly with their labour, and yet get paid the lowest wage. A wage that barely covers the basic necessities of life, never mind the "gadgets" you talk of.