To think men have no right to stand outside abortion clinics and do this.

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Posted before about my pregnancy. I am having a termination today. This is not a decision I've made lightly.

I've arrived at the clinic and there is a middle aged man and his young teen son standing outside with camp chairs and flasks. Putting up awful pictures and signs. Trying to hand out leaflets.

I think women who do this are also scum but how on earth could a man think he has any right to do this? Turn up at a place where women are at their most scared and vulnerable and try to bully them?

It's really really upset me. I hate them so much right now.

I want to go and tell them exactly what I think of them but don't think that would be helpful at this time.

(Agree on the terminology re "trolling", that is)

Well, if we're talking terminology...I prefer the term forced birther

No, I don't think it's on to call someone with an different view to most of the thread 'a troll'. I have seen it on threads before and its not fair.

What would be nice would be if those with the minority view on this thread could.actually come back and answer some of the questions posed to them, as it seems (like on every single abortion thread i have ever seen on here) that when the questions get a bit tricky, they seem to just disappear or dodge them completely.

Agree with you NoStan it happens every time, especially if a woman who has had an abortion shares her story (ya know a real life human having gone through a hard time)
Or they come back repeating "its a life, its a life" "its murder"

So many forced birthers avoid the questions or skirt around it. I would love some honest answers.

What they 'should and should not' do is a separate question with no right answer.

So many forced birthers avoid the questions or skirt around it. I would love some honest answers

For example, why they aren't petitioning /protesting men who go around not using contraception.

Maybe they should hand out leaflets outside pubs

But the general point: it takes two to conceive yet anti-abortion lobbyists focus only on one of the parties ... Oh yes, it's because they care so much for women

But upthechimney They love the babiesss! If a woman is going to throw herself at a man and not use contraception then she deserves all she gets. Why should the baby suffer because she SHE has no morals!
Men can't be blamed sure they're only doing what comes naturally. "If there were no loose women there would be no loose men" This little gem was said to me by a catholic priest

"why they aren't petitioning /protesting men who go around not using contraception."

They should be protesting at men who do use contraception! Those heartless bastards are stopping their sperm from making babies . As IrishDad says, life must be given every opportunity:

"I do take extreme exception at their claiming to be "pro-life", when they actively support the denial of a chance at life for tens of thousands of children each year."

And indeed that is the Catholic viewpoint. But they're not protesting in the condom aisle at Boots, or at pharmaceutical companies, or outside parliament. Just at women who are in a personally vulnerable position.

In fact I am denying a child the chance of life right now by not having sex while MNing. The only moral option is for everyone to be shagging fertile people of the opposite sex constantly so as not to deny any children the chance of life. That's the logical extension of IrishDad's argument.

It's probably worth mentioning here that the majority of women who seek abortions have used birth control. It just isn't always effective.

Absolutely Christina I have had two abortions, the first was contraception failure the second was error of judgement as I had been drinking. No one has to explain how or why they need an abortion.

It's an interesting point, RubbishRobot - and it's not just the Catholic viewpoint, but also the far right (mainly in America) Christian view too. They want to reverse Roe v Wade, but in fact they've been fairly successful in restricting access to abortion already - managing to force closure of clinics, using petty legislation, forcing women to travel hundreds of miles/out of state to access abortion services.

Not only that, but an awful lot want contraception restricted too, and the promotion of abstinence. It's really quite heinously puritan - basically, "women - don't have sex unless you're married/want babies, because we will restrict both contraception and abortion services, and don't expect fuck all with regard to a welfare if you are pregnant, you might get workfare or whatever." Which is a lot of use to a teenager who gets carried away, or who is raped, or indeed, any woman who finds herself pregnant when she doesn't want to be.

Termination - available as early as possible, as late as necessary - quite the best words to sum it up, in my opinion.

OP, if you are still reading. I hope you're feeling better.