To hope that if Britain leaves the Eu so we can become the 51st State.

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I love American culture so much and would love to be American, I visit every year and have lots of family who live in America.

I was thinking that since we can't be alone in the world (for various reasons) we would have to join the U.S.

Aibu to think we should have a second referendum to join America.

I can't stand American culture (I use the term in jest).
If you love it so much go and live there, leave the rest of us and our country alone.

Well why don't you get in the green card lottery lfn? Sure the Tea Party'd be happy to have you

Bit harsh. Plus it's pretty much next to impossible to get a Green Card these days.

But maybe longfingers should give it a punt!

Britain is the greatest country in the world. But America comes a close second.

Obamas a socialist well there's a thigh slapping joke if I ever heard one!

Hmm... I am an American who is now a British subject. I find the criticisms of the US on this thread pretty accurate. American popular culture is pretty dire. Besides all of the short-comings mentioned up-thread, most of th US has no access to cultural events outside of television. It could be the OP really likes theme parks, evangelical churches, NASCAR racing, American football. She may have no interest in tertiary education for her children which is cripplingly expensive.
Many ( but not all) of my American friends are lively, engaged & articulate, but I mostly feel sorry for them with the limited outlets for their interests. Let's just stay put, politically, shall we?

most of th US has no access to cultural events outside of television.

I don't know how or where you lived before you became a british subject but you certainly didn't get out much, did you?

You like most americans had ballet, opera, music ranging from classical to jazz to folk to indie, literature, libraries, plays, amateur dramatics, reading groups, writing groups, colleges, college courses all available to you and all you did was watch television.

I feel sorry for you to be honest.

Depends where you live in America I suppose.

I have theater, ballet, opera, symphony, museums, and all the other things mentioned by Canyou readily available, and I live in a small city in the deep South.

Depends where you live in America I suppose.

Ditto UK. We can hardly suppose the cultural delights of London are available to everyone in the UK but we still wouldn't judge the entire of the UK's culture by that of Hartlepool or wigan pier or any other randomly selected small town/region, would we? that would be just silly.

I wasn't being 'silly' and I didn't judge the entire of the USA's culture by a randomly selected small town. I was merely considering basic geography when responding to your claim re. the availability of ballet, opera etc.

What's the distance between Hartlepool and London, 300 miles or so? That's a mere hop, skip, and a jump in American terms.

I was responding to the idea posted here by moanranger that most of the US has no access to "cultural events". Yes it does. And then I disagreed with you, Crystal, in that it doesn't depend on geography.

There is generally less "culture" available in regions outside the main cities in a country. This is true for France, UK, Ireland, USA etc.

There is also generally a lot of local culture available in any small town or city - in the US or UK or wherever.

Yes poor America with its dreadful lack of culture. No art to speak of (except for Rothko, Pollack, Cassett, Warhol, ad infinitum) no artgallerys (except for the Guggenheim, MoMa, Whitney...infinitum) only rubbish popular culture on TV (except for Mad Men, The Soprano's Breaking Bad, Orange is the New Black...ad infinitum, no architecture of any note except Frank lloyd Wight, Palli and Gherry...adinfinitum. No writers of any note except Cheever, Keroac, Vonnegut, Twain, Updike...ad infinitum and no history of philosophical thought except Jefferson, oh and Paine and Thoreau and Emmerson and Rawls...adinfinitum.

If only they could be as advanced as the English and produce quality cultural explorations like Coronation St and The Sun.

OT, but within about 35 miles of Hartlepool, there are several theatres, concert venues, art galleries, a range of museums, libraries, several universities, and various historic sites to visit.

Obviously London has a lot more, and bigger, examples of all these, but Hartlepool is hardly isolated within a cultural desert.

undermythumb if you're going to compare, you'll have to do a like for like comparison. There's no point listing the best of US and the worst of the UK.

Also, no need for the ad infinitum, as you listed all the good stuff. Which serves to prove a PPs point that the cultural goodness is centred in relatively small geographic areas. There could be thousands of miles between a persons home and the nearest decent gallery. The same cannot be said for the UK. Which I agree, is not due to lack of culture necessarily, but perhaps our small size. I bet the UK has more cultural attractions per head than the U.S.

The thread isn't really about this its about their policies, the fact that the U.S. May be culturally lacking is irrelevant because the UK would still have everything we have no, but the government would change.

An early poster said that the US has no culture so, of course, the thread did become about that, as well as about policies. And culture is much more than theaters and access to opera. To say that a country lacks culture displays a fairly unenlightened attitude.

We might as well be part of the good old USA - we follow their lead and get dragged into every bloody war and conflict going. If the USA keep their nose out of other countries business the world would be a better place. We need to learn to stand up to them and tell them to sod off.

We also need to stop allowing UK citizens being deported to the USA without the US having to provide any evidence.

We have bent over backwards over the years to keep the USA on-side.

That aside, I have been to 2 different states in the USA and found the people to generally be friendly, quite like Brits and have a bit of an obsession with our history and royal family.

The US government need to take a hard look at themselves and invest in healthcare for all, decent maternity leave, lower colleg/Uni fees and stop spending so much on pointless wars. The UK government should stop treating the USA like a big brother that they look up to.

As one of the Yanks on this thread, I'm still waiting for OP to come back and tell me why I should move back.

I stand by what I said; if posters up thread think Americans have the same access to (high) culture that Brits do, then we will have to agree to disagree,
I am interested in what the OP loved about the U.S. Large meals? Shopping malls?

Where is the OP...was this thread "a troll post & run?"

As others have pointed out, some of the comments are a bit mean-spirited and ignorant.

Since no one is having a nuanced discussion anyway, I will limit myself to pointing out the irony in saying that the US has shit food and is racist. I'm not saying that's not true, but it is not really your place to talk.

What is it about the U.S. you wish we had here OP? Lack of decent holiday entitlement? Lack of paid maternity leave? Longer working hours? Guns? You didn't really specify...

What a great idea. somewhere kinder eggs are banned because small parts that may harm children yet allows the same children access to guns. London may be closer geographically to Washington dc than hawaii but ideologically we are much closer to Europe.

Some things would be good such as the gun laws but in other aspects like healthcare I prefer this country. The NHS might have faults but I'm ultimately glad it's there for me to use for free if I nede.