to think we need to leave the EU or start concreting over the countryside

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32816454

300,000 more Eastern Europeans than last year. Every prospect of that continuing.

Where are they going to live? We aren't building any more housing.

A small flat in butt-of-jokes Peckham is over half a million quid now. www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-34291575.html

Baby boomer NIMBYs object to any building in the countryside.

Pouring more and more people into the same number of houses - it's a massive fuck-up.

Given that I don't see the NIMBYs dying any time soon, it's time to leave the EU, surely?

And David Cameron is just dishonest, how does he suppose to hit his immigration target when it's being driven by EU migration over which he has no control?

I think leaving the EU would be a massive mistake.

I do, however, believe that freedom of movement within the EU can only work when the economies/standard of living of the countries within it are of a similar standard. I dont know a single British person who has emigrated to Poland. If you went to Poland and asked someone if they knew anyone who had emigrated to the UK, they would know plenty. I don't blame them, if I was a young, Polish person, I'd be over here like a shot. Surely though these Eastern European countries must be suffering at the loss of so many working age people?

How many people emigrated?

According to 'google' 320000 people left Britain in 2103 so it evens up.

YABVU and you are being fed by an increasingly xenophobic media.

If you're assuming that EU membership is having an adverse impact on population density, it isn't. I'm assuming from your Peckham reference you're in the south-East? London, even with the growth it's experienced since the recession, is actually one of the least population-dense global cities (although you wouldn't think it from the media coverage). Our perception that it's overly dense is partly because people in the UK just don't want to live in apartments - they want 3 bed house with 2-car drive and a garden. That is not how most cities work. But anyway, population density is not what is driving the bananas house prices - that's greed and poor regulation.

Additionally there are almost as many Brits living abroad as foreigners living here - if you pulled the plug on one you'd have to recall them all back and then where would you be?

But building up investment in other cities, e.g. in the North and Midlands would put less pressure on London. Unfortunately that would mean the Tories investing in Manchester instead of letting the City of London do whatever the hell it wants which they do not want to do.

Yes they are losing a lot of hard working people.

www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/18/polish-mp-london-migrant-brain-drain

I would rather send them (Poland and other countries) economic aid, than essentially steal their workers.

At least the Polish wil sleep 5 to a shift bed in a studio apartment. Can't see Mr and Mrs Jones who'll get shipped back from the South of France settling for less than an orchard and room for a pony

"According to 'google' 320000 people left Britain in 2103 so it evens up."

Uh, no. 320,000 people left, 640,000 arrived.

There was a net change in non-British EU workers registered of 300,000. That's NET, including all the people going home.

Without the Eastern European immigration, we would have close to zero net migration.

"Our perception that it's overly dense is partly because people in the UK just don't want to live in apartments - they want 3 bed house with 2-car drive and a garden."

And why should we change our way of life ?

"Additionally there are almost as many Brits living abroad as foreigners living here - if you pulled the plug on one you'd have to recall them all back and then where would you be?"

That's a stupid argument. If, say, Dubai, asks for foreign workers, that's their business. It doesn't imply that we in England should do the same.

300,000 more Eastern Europeans than last year.

This is incorrect. The total figure for immigrants is 641k, and the net figure is 318k, not all of them from eastern europe.

Please read and understand before posting.

"Please read and understand before posting."

Seriously?

It's right there in the article.

"Employment of non-British EU nationals in the UK in January to March 2015 was 283,000 higher than the previous year"

I might fuck off to live in Greece so you can add another to the out pile.

HTH

Bye.

At least the Polish wil sleep 5 to a shift bed in a studio apartment.

Why is low living standards something to be celebrated? I think it is dreadful that people live like that.

Agree with goldenhen a lot of these fears are stirred up by the press

Come over here to mainland Europe and you'll see how the majority of the population live in apartments!

And other densely populated countries have just as many expats (if not more) than in the UK. Here where I live in Belgium, the community of expats is currently estimated at approximately 750,000 which adds up to almost a tenth of the population!

Also, there may be migration to the UK now because it is doing well economically, but do you remember the 70s when a huge number of UK construction workers and car workers migrated to Germany and the USA?
These things are never permanent, there are ebbs and flows according to different economies. And there are rarely situations when all economies are at a level playing field. Hence the need to look at these situations globally. Hence the need for the UK to be a strong player in Europe.

*"Please read and understand before posting."

Seriously?

It's right there in the article.

"Employment of non-British EU nationals in the UK in January to March 2015 was 283,000 higher than the previous year"*

Yes seriously.

Employment and immigration are not the same thing. And easter europe is not all europe.

And, the Spaniards in Britain are comparable in number to the Brits in Spain? I don't think so.

Spain is a lot bigger than Britain and can absorb more people than we can.

"Yes seriously.

Employment and immigration are not the same thing. "

Well no they aren't, but they are good indicators. The fact that we have 283,000 more EU workers is indicative of a concomitant increase in immigration. Also if you (again!) read the article properly, it does show the breakdown of where the migrants are coming from in the graphs.

" And easter europe is not all europe."

No it isn't, but most EU immigration is from Eastern Europe. The number of Irish in the UK, by comparison, is falling.

You know if we leave the EU, we would have to sign up to freedom of movement if we want want hope of a trade deal?

"And, the Spaniards in Britain are comparable in number to the Brits in Spain? I don't think so."

There are 300,000 in Spain. Which is less, in fact, than the number of Germans in Britain, for example.

Conspicuous for us, because they settle in holiday destinations.

I don't think anybody was concerned about EU migration in Britain until the Eastern European countries entered.

I feel decidedly unloved today, so I'll apologise already for me and my fellow migrants being the source of all ills in this country.
I am European, work in an industry where we cannot recruit enough staff for love nor money, we get absolutely no British applicants.
I came here because I felt that culturally and morally, Britain was the closest to how I felt and where I wanted to belong.
Not all Europeans who come here "steal" jobs.

Irrelevant but bloody love that Peckham flat.

BBC just reporting on it. They have used the word 'soaring' for net migration.

I agree with you OP, it's worrying.

Not all Europeans who come here "steal" jobs.

I hope you are aware that not all Brits would accuse you of it. For some unknown reason the Press is hell-bent on trying to whip us up to it, though.

God why not just have us all lined up on the cliffs at Dover and push us off

The overwhelming majority of migrants here followed whatever rules allowed them to be here

rules which this country either made themselves, or agreed to when signing treaties

If you don't like it, change the rules. Enough moaning about who ate all the swans and we'll all have to live 4643 people to a coffin because evil Eastern European migrants are stealing all our housing our whatever

Ffs