To support DS to break school rules?

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My DS's secondary school has issued a written ban on sixth formers driving to school and parking in the local roads nearby (even though there are no double yellow lines etc) to avoid upsetting the residents.
The bus fare for DS is expensive and the saving helps pay for his insurance.

AIBU to support him in ignoring the ban?

charis - I wish this was xfactor or big brother or something so we could vote you off. You are being ridiculous.

YOU EXPECT US TO BELIEVE THAT IN YOUR LAST SHOOL / 6TH FORM YOU KNEW 1000 17/18 YEAR OLDS WITH DRIVING LICENCES???

If you continue now you'll just make yourself look stupid

Charis1 is just being goady now. Standard post : "I'm right. Statistics back me up. I'm not going to quote my source. You'll have to find it yourself.

Been watching this thread with amazement, especially at the crap peddled by Charis.

Charis:

The school can make ANY rules it wants but the school has NO jurisdiction to police where a car is parked on the public highway, regardless of whether said vehicle is tax/insured/MOT'd.

Considering you are so adamant about your so-called (bullshit) experience, please show just ONE school that has a rule where it exercises said control over parking on the public highway....if you cannot, I suggest you shut the fuck up.

Because all you have done on this thread so far is throw your bullshit around in the vein hope it will stick. You might think people are stupid, but the only tool here is YOU.

As for the OP - your child can park where they like and do NOT have to disclose that to the school or anyone else.

And if the residents dont like it, they should have thought about that before moving to an area where a school exists. What did they think - that kids would never grow up and learn how to drive?

Seriously folks, dont feed the troll that is Charis - she clearly has no life and is on a fucking wind up. Sad cunt.

Mine ARE official statistics, and confirmed by several sources which you can look into yourself.

I did look into official sources, quoted them, and quoted actual figures. You have cited none of them. If there are statistics that go into the detail of whether drivers involved in accidents are or are not in sixth forms, and the precise time of day when those accidents happen, I'm sure they are easily identifiable and you can link to them.

Otherwise, what Collaborate and Suck said.

Out of curiosity, I had a scoot round around 20 sixth form college websites, those being the type of institutions that may have sixth form pupils in four figure numbers. I could find none that banned students from driving to the college; indeed, some refer to student car parking arrangements and one actually arranged car shares. A number had arranged specific courses on driving safely for young people, which seems to be a much, much more sensible method of dealing with the safety issue, given that students will be driving irrespective of the arrangements they make for getting to and from college.

Parking threads always kick off.

I already listed 6th forms that have pretty bizarre sets of rules about how pupils drive, so far they are all indies. Indies can expel a kid for almost any bizarre reason. Does Charis say they work in state schools?

Below I looked at pairs near each other for their parking or driving policies.

Loughborough grammar (indie): can't find any policy. Funny, parking around there is atrocious!

Loughborough college (state): lots of parking rules, it's all permit parking around there, must tell college where your allocated space is offsite.

Sheringham HS (state): can't find a policy.

Gresham's (indie nr Sheringham): can't find a policy

Lancaster Royal Grammar (state academy): don't annoy the neighbours

Stonyhurst (public school, Clitheroe): strictly forbidden to give lifts to other pupils (in some other indie school diktats too); also specific place they must park.

Has anyone considered that Charis might be in the USA?

Charis has referred elsewhere to GCSEs and A levels, and to travelling in London, so is presumably not in the US. The London reference does make her posts more puzzling however, since for obvious reasons London school students tend to use public transport to get to school far more than cars.

Are you joking, American kids drive to school all the time from age 16 & it's easy to do without issues, plenty of parking available. There'd be riots if schools tried to ban 16yos driving.

Yes, I was just thinking about the student numbers she quotes and that she says teens where I would put teenagers. I do think auto accident rates are much higher in the US though.

Good morning everyone and I've been having more thoughts on the matter.

The head teacher and the board of governors because I don't believe he or she will have come to this decision on their own need to stop putting themselves above the law of the land and stop acting like little hitlers.

In fact I think they would be better served by challenging the system that allows younger children to travel for free and then have 16-18 year olds have to pay £700 pa. Do they suddenly become waged at 16. Where is the fairness in that?

Rather than issuing a harsh diktat to theses students and families which is totally unworkable by the way I think they need to leaflet the residents of he affected streets and invite them to a meeting along with students and parents.

Let one side listen to the other. Let the residents hear that the streets are free for everyone to use as long as they are being used wisely. Let the students hear the residents concerns. Let them work towards an amicable solution.

A head teacher who puts himself above the law is a Pratt of the first degree and basically is just sweeping it under the carpet.

Chalis...shit happens and I've seen enough of it to last me a lifetime!

This thread has deliberately been diverted by the perversions of Charis into accident rates and other absolute bullshit.

It has nothing to do with the OP's situation posed.

Charis is full to the brim of BS.

All her "decades" of school interaction mean sweet fuck all if she cant provide one shred of evidence to back up her lies about schools being able to legislate on parking on the public highway.

So Charis - time to put up or STFU:

Its not our job to prove what you claim. YOU made the (lie) claim - prove it or fuck off....what'll it be?

Maryann1975 I loved your post. Young people power!

I bet the staff's faces were a picture that day and interesting how they didn't stick to their own diktat!

Priceless!

Sadly I didn't get to drive till I was 21 but I made sure all my kids got lessons for their 17 th birthdays.

It's the best practical skill we can teach our young people.

The licence is so hard won these days and at such a huge financial cost Id think only one or two idiots in a thousand would squander it.

I wish my parents had got me lessons at 17 and a car so I could have avoided the long cold wintry walk to school every day and this was after we got off the bus. There was no dropping off at the door in my day by a school bus.

OP here with the answers to a couple of q's upthread:

DS's school is a state secondary - Yr7-Yr13 and has been there since the 1960s
The teachers park in the staff car park, but it isn't that big and Sixth formers have never been allowed to park there AFAIK
DS's insurance for him as main driver is just under £900 so it makes running the car doable if we don't have to pay for the bus pass on top of this.
The letter setting out the ban did not mention what sanctions, if any, would result from ignoring it. It came out just as Yr12 were going on study leave, so difficult for students/ parents to discuss with the school immediately afterwards.

As far as what we should do about it I think a compromise of parking a few roads away is probably the way to go. Ds doesn't want to talk to the school about it (or for me to try to galvanise other parents into action) until after UCAS references are written in case he's seen as being difficult.

My gut feeling is the same as the poster who said it is a form of discrimination due to their age, the school still sees them as young kids. I really don't think this would arise with 18 year olds in a workplace situation.

The situation would be different if we lived closer to the school/ had safer roads to cycle on/ didn't have to pay £700 per post-16 student for school transport. It's definitely not a matter of being a stroppy spoilt teenager demanding his rights, it's just looking at the most sensible option for us.

That said I agree that the direct action by MaryAnn1975 was inspired- Brilliant idea!

*listen not list

I'm agog at Charis' comments. I honestly don't believe that any state school would expel a student for doing something legally outside of school hours.

DS2(18) drives to school, as did DS1, and many of their friends do. As another poster said its where they are building up precious driving experience. DS2's insurance is just over £900, he drives his car to work and he uses it to help me out at times and see his friends.

I hope the school see sense over this OP.

Strictly speaking op's ds is travelling to his parking spot and then walking to school.

The rule taken to the nth degree would mean a student could not have a driving lesson immediately after school either. Or visit, for example, their grandmother by car before school, park the car there and then walk to school. Or take their car into a garage near the school for a service and pick it up on the way home from school. Or drive to a friend's house to do some studying / sports training before school, leave the car there and walk into school....

Oh dear. It's all getting silly now!

Only as silly as an outright driving ban...

Have you not noticed the increasingly expletive ridden ridiculous postings?

I know that we disagree on this, sort of, and that none of the nastiness has been aimed at me, but there are a couple of posts just a little bit upthread that are really unnecessarily pissy.

The facts are that some schools and colleges do ask students not to drive in, they can use the disciplinary system as I described yesterday - though I would repeat that it is highly unlikely to be escalated to suspension or expulsion - and the student has the choice to abide by that ruling (again with the caveats I posted yesterday) or to sign up somewhere else.

It doesn't help anyone to continually post that such a rule cannot exist, when it patently does. Nor does it help to rant on about students being expelled for driving, especially in the somewhat divorced from reality manner that some posters have resorted to. It does help to understand why a school or college might have been pushed to such an edict and to work with them to resolve the situation to everyone's benefit.

I outlined a couple of scenarios yesterday, but I do appreciate that spitting bricks is more fun than considering the reality!

It all started out silly Lazy Lou. Someone started throwing their weight around without properly thinking it through.

"The facts are that some schools and colleges do ask students not to drive in, they can use the disciplinary system as I described yesterday"

....and that has nothing to do with the act that no educational institution in the UK has any legal basis to prevent someone parking their vehicle on the public highway (I'm NOT referring to private roads et al).

There is no disciplinary or punitive action that they could take to enforce this when they have NO legal authority pertaining to the governance of the public carriageway/highway.

Very obvious that some on this thread cannot seem to grasp this reality.

If you have evidence to the contrary, please do share it with the Highways Agency, David Cameron and others...I'm sure they'll be thrilled to bits with such lunacy.