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to be getting increasingly annoyed with Game of Thrones (full book and TV spoilers)

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Thurlow · 16/05/2015 20:36

Is it just me? I used to love it but now it's just pissing me off. So many changes to the plotlines in the books. I know they're going to change quite a lot but some of it is just pissing me off now because it's changing storylines that haven't even finished in the books, so you don't feel as though they are worth reading anymore.

Like this whole adventure with Jaime and Bronn in Dorne. In the books Jaime is only halfway through an adventure around Westeros putting down the last rebellions. But if the TV show isn't doing that, then what's the point in finishing that story in the book?

Ditto the whole Sansa storyline. And I'm guessing also that the guy from Dorne isn't going to turn up in the show and get eaten by dragons, so that's whole chapters of the book that's wasted. And Penny the dwarf - she should have turned up by now, shouldn't she?

It's not that I just don't like the changes, it's more that they have been saying Martin has been agreeing to the new storylines, so it's as if he's admitting that huge parts of his book are completely irrelevant, iyswim?

Plus I hate the Arya, Dany and Brienne storylines at the moment, so I'm really not feeling the love, when I adored this at the start...

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Kiwiinkits · 18/05/2015 23:45

Sex + Violence = saleable TV.

Which is why CSI and GoT are both popular. We are drawn to this stuff. And it's actually quite sick.

CoupDetat · 18/05/2015 23:50

Couldn't agree more, Kiwii.

She has grown in someways but they've been minor. I really wanted some redemption for Theon, even though he was an utter cunt no one deserves to be at Ramsay Bolton's mercy but sadly he doesn't get any. That's another reason why I was so angry at the TV show not keeping to the Jeyne storyline, Theon was the one who lied to Ramsay about her being Arya which to me was a small redemption for him.

AlanBstardMPagain · 19/05/2015 00:02

I hated what happened to Sansa tonight. Her character has taken huge steps forward and suddenly it was as though she'd jumped back a bit (although I love how she stood up to the nasty kennel girl).

But then I really hate scenes like the final one tonight, for personal reasons. Sansa and the stabbing of Robb's pregnant wife in the stomach are both pretty horrible scenes that never happened in the books.

Trills · 19/05/2015 09:03

Sansa's story tonight reminds me a bit of Cersei.

No matter how strong and intelligent and independent you are, no matter what family you are from, as a woman if you are married you have to let your husband do that.

It would have been too cheap and "easy" for her to suddenly try to fight. She has been learning cleverness and sneakiness from Littlefinger, not combat skills from Brienne. Fighting would not have helped her at all in this situation.

AlanBstardMPagain · 19/05/2015 09:10

Ramsay would have beaten the shit out of her if she'd fought anyway Trills, he saw off Theon's hard nut sister with no trouble, Sansa wouldnt have stood a chance.

Reminds me of what Cersei told Sansa during the battle of Blackwater - that a womans power lay between her legs. She aint wrong there.

I wonder if theres such a thing as STDs in the GOT world, given that Robert shagged around so much you'd have thought he'd given something to Cersei.

BeyondDoesBootcamp · 19/05/2015 09:18

As much as i hate watching rape on tv (although i imagine rape in marriage isnt 'rape' in westeros, what with being legal in the uk til 1991...!) and i'm annoyed that sansa is there (as above, is this where the book is going? Are huge chunks so irrelevant that they can just be skipped in tv land??). When saying they 'shoehorn rape in' to the series, did you forget what ramsey did to jeyne?!

BeyondDoesBootcamp · 19/05/2015 09:21

I'm not positive (and have no spoilers or anything), but i have a feeling lady stoneheart will be appearing later in the series

Sansarya · 19/05/2015 09:26

Michelle Fairley was listed in IMDB as playing "hooded woman" this season for a while but her agent then said it was a hoax and she wouldn't be returning. But you never know!

TheWhiteFlag · 19/05/2015 09:29

I couldn't even get through the first episode. Too misogynistic.

honeyroar · 19/05/2015 10:55

It's extremely rare for me to say this, but I actually prefer the TV series. I've read all the books, but a lot of them waffled and wandered too much and bored me a bit. I stopped reading after the first book, it was the TV series that made me start reading again. I read the final books desperately waiting for some threads to be picked up and tied, but am still waiting! I don't think he books will ever be finished. He doesn't seem to have the drive and discipline enough to do it.

I can't believe we're already on no 6 though, another series will be over in no time, and then it's more waiting.

UsedtobeFeckless · 19/05/2015 11:04

I'm thinking Ramsey is going to die horribly at the hands of Brienne / Theon / Sansa / somebody-or-other and then Sansa as the last Stark Left Standing will be lord of the north herself. I hope so, anyway ...

honeyroar · 19/05/2015 11:22

It should all kick off at Winterfell soon, Stannis should arrive there soon, shouldn't he? I don't think Ramsey will make it to the end of the series. But will Sansa and Theon step up and do it??

UsedtobeFeckless · 19/05/2015 11:32

I hope it's Theon who scrobbles him, thus saving Sansa and sort of redeeming himself, then Stannis bashes the Beastly Boltons and swans off south, leaving our girl as Warden Of The North ... ( Crosses fingers )

JoffreyBaratheonFirstofHisName · 19/05/2015 13:08

I love it. From the start, four of us watched it together - husband, me and 2 older sons. After series 1, 3 of us had read the books. All the books. One son hadn't and we tried not to spoiler anything. I envied him being able to watch it and not know what was coming next...

Now, none of us really know and it's much more fun. I see it as - I have the next two books to look forward to (and have that same feeling of suspense) as well as the TV show. Win-win.

They are different media - I think it's great that George Martin has been brave enough to do it this way. I am a huge LOTR fan too and never got people wailing about Peter Jackson's omissions/deviations from the book. So long as he got the spirit of the book - he did - he was always making films, so they would always have been different. I think audiences are progressive enough to get it now.

JoffreyBaratheonFirstofHisName · 19/05/2015 13:10

Oh and thank The Seven (or the Old Gods, other gods are available) that Arya finally got a costume change! She'd been wearing that outfit since 2011...

fourchetteoff · 19/05/2015 13:16

I love the TV series much more than the books.

By the time I got to book 5, I used to groan at how heavy the bloody thing was and how he would suddenly pepper the text with new characters that I didn't give a shit about and abandon old favourites. It all just got too waffly.

I think the merging of characters such as Jeyne and Sansa is a really good idea as it tightens things up.

I was pretty worried about the wedding night scene between Ramsay and Sansa as I have found a few of the sex scenes just a bit too luridly overly sexual when it comes to rape. But this scene, although being horribly grim, at least didn't have poor Sansa completely naked and bared for the viewer. I would put it up there in horribleness with the Theon torture scenes.

And Joffrey - I was very glad that Jackson cut out any Tom Bombadil from LOTR. He is a giant skipping douchebag.

fourchetteoff · 19/05/2015 13:21

Hang on, now I'm confused. It was Jeyne's storyline that Sansa merged into, wasn't it?
It's been a while since I read the book and all the names get jumbled up for me.

And I'm the same about Jon Snow - I'd like him to live, partly because I find Kit quite fit (but only swathed in massive furs - he looked like a giant ant-belly in Pompeii), and partly because if he dies it's as if none of the part about The Wall means anything anymore (IYSWIM)

DragonWithAGirlTattoo · 19/05/2015 13:23

hi Joan
Dragon - yes, Jaime changes in the books and becomes more likeable, but in a very different way. Don't you think it's odd to have a character who has one of his own men executed for raping a servant commit rape himself?
er, yes - completely do as I say, not as I do

I reckon Lady Stoneheart will come along on the last episode - has to be

Coupdetat - why does Theon lying about Jeyne/Arya give him redemption? he does it (IMO) as he is scared of Ramsey (who i think knows shes not Arya) not because he's nice

I'm not worried bout Theon and redemption, he might not have killed Bran and Rickon, but some other children died so he could try and take Winterfell

Alisvolatpropiis · 19/05/2015 13:28

I am so bored of Arya's story arc. Bored of it in the books, bored of it in the tv show.

I enjoy Little Fingers character a great deal, the actor (whose name evades me) has done a great job!

JoffreyBaratheonFirstofHisName · 19/05/2015 13:37

I was very glad that Jackson cut out any Tom Bombadil from LOTR. He is a giant skipping douchebag.

four, I'd agree but we also lost the barrow-wights which is one of my favourite bits. Still Tom Bombadil with his rhyming couplets and yellow wellies would piss anyone off. Imagine if he strayed into Westeros, his legs would be hacked off and his boots would be stuffed up his arse in about ten minutes. No, forget that. GRRM only kills loveable characters. Bombadil would probably end up on the iron throne!

fourchetteoff · 19/05/2015 13:42

@ Joffrey!

Now that would be a mash-up. I'd like to see Tom Bombadil skipping around crapping on about how much punani he is going to get off of Goldberry (he really boast on about her, doesn't he?) and then encounter The Mountain. I think he could do some leg-hacking very well.

loveareadingthanks · 19/05/2015 14:07

I'm starting to find the sex elements a bit tiresome now and it's a shame as I did love this show. I still watch it but not with quite the same enjoyment. Sure, it's a mysogenistic world, and that's different to a show being mysogenistic itself, but so much of the female nudity etc is gratuitous.

I think they were reasonably restrained though with the Sansa rape scene. It was obviously going to happen now she's in that story line, and it could have been far more graphic compared to some of their other scenes.

CoupDetat · 19/05/2015 14:20

Four, yes it was Jeyne's storyline that Sansa is basically playing now. I don't think they'll kill Jon if George R Martin reveals him to be someone important, like his parentage through the book.

Dragon, I don't think Theon is doing it to be nice. I see Theon and Reek as two different characters in one. Theon is arrogant, defiant but also loyal to the Starks, after he realises his mistakes. Reek is basically another one of Ramsay's dogs, he's so loyal he'd sell out his own men and so afraid/brain washed he'd do anything for Ramsay. At this point Theon is completely gone, all there is left is the loyal servant Reek and he's seen what Ramsay does to liars and how he tortures in general, to lie about who Jeyne is breaks the loyalty and is incredibly risky for him and would do him absolutely no favours if Ramsay every found out. So to me a bit of Theon's character peeks out from under Reek to give some sort of loyalty back to the Starks and such..probably a silly idea but I like to think of it that way since Theon really has become such a pathetic creature, though it was by his own mistake in betraying Robb.

loveareadingthanks · 19/05/2015 14:37

I don't like the whole bit about Ramsey's women as well. They aren't in the books - he has a bunch of men who help him with his attrocities instead. I can't see any reason for adding them other than to add more T&A

AryaUnderfoot · 19/05/2015 14:59

Rhaegar's 'lost' son hasn't appeared in the TV series at all. Is he irrelevant now?

Presumably it's now going to be greyscale (carried by Mormont) that does the rounds in slaver's bay rather than the flux?

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