To wonder if tory voters care about the 1 million.

[Jacobsmum1972]

I bet they don't give a flying monkeys for anyone coming under attack by the Tories. The poor, disabled and tennants.

I have felt close to tears all day because I know what a conservative majority means for so many in this country.

The biting has already started - You may have noticed the plan announced on Thursday to reduce the 'help-into-work' scheme for people who are disabled. Just a bit of a taster for things to come.

Nope. The report said the department were considering a cap and I believe it was first reported before the election.

And no, there aren't 600,000 food banks.

do you not want disabled people helped to work?

A 'cap' means real measure reduction.

But still, why 'cap' such an initiative? Wishing to penalise a disadvantaged group of people? Could you answer that SirS?

yes I'd corrected that SirS - but getting back to penalising disabled people who want to work, if you can?

Uno no where have I said its a good thing or I agree with it.

I'm simply correcting a false statement so we can discuss fact rather than hyperbole.

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GraceGrape

It was me that originally said:
'I think most people don't care if it doesn't affect them

to which I got a somewhat snappy reply about 'human nature', yesterday.

That had been my point actually - it IS human nature when in extremis not to care if it doesn't affect you - ie in fight or flight mode we protect ourselves and ourselves ONLY.

BUT we live in the 6th richest country in the world and we have the resources available to allow us to look up from the grindstone and consider the 'weaker' ones in the tribe - the ones who, for whatever reason, need some extra for a while whilst they cant create it for themselves.

I am so glad that there are people out there like yourselves who GET IT.

To each according to his needs and from each according to his abilities.
The idea is sound.

I feel our country has made a morally poor choice this week.

(btw, I live in Scotland atm and it is la la land atm, frankly, with crazy promises a go go and frankly feverish expectations which will end in tears).

I faced a real choice of voting SNP or Tory on Thursday, both of which made me feel ill.

I voted LibDem as I felt they were the most central and responsible party with a smattering of morals too.

Look where that got me

No one party meets everyone's idea of a great party. For me, the Tories were best for the economy and our only hope of lowering the deficit for future generations.

They have bad points, the universal FSM was a rubbish idea. An extra teacher would have been better.

I do believe our benefit system is way out of hand. It needs overhauling and this is the party to do it. Higher personal tax allowances are the way to go and less benefits. There should be a safety net but it should be a last resort. People need to take more responsibility, contraception is free yet the number already on benefits having more children is astounding. No thought seems to go into planning for many, they have children young with no career behind them and then when the relationship goes south they have no means of supporting themselves let alone children. We need to get across the message of a good education, good career and familes when stable and able to support them. Life does change but many could have planned better.

The Tories have done little for us as a family bar a higher personal allowance but I voted for what I think is right for the country rather than who would benefit me more. I want a decent place for the new generations.

I faced a real choice of voting SNP or Tory on Thursday, both of which made me feel ill.

Me as well Ihave. You're so right, it is like living in la la land up here right now

I heard that the Tories are going to stop EU migrants from claiming benefits that they send home to children in a different country? Is this true??

LittleMonster

The problem I have about the 'have fewer children and take more responsibility' argument is that when benefits are cut or don't exist it doesn't stop people having more children and therefore those children are going to suffer. The argument presumes that people will change their behaviour in response to government policy and the problem is that they won't.

That's why in the US there are people on every street corner with their hands out.

So where is the evidence that they won't Burserymum? They may not all but that's not the same thing.

The evidence for what?

Meggy and Ihave - I'll join the club. We lost a really decent MP on Thursday. Reading the back stories of many of the new SNP cohort and they appear to have only joined the SNP since the referendum so we have NO idea of their worth. All the new SNP MPs seem to be reading from a script. I'm waiting for some major gaffes when they get to Westminster and are no longer being drilled into what to say.

Another goady thread

'Such huge cutbacks may not just affect the mythical scroungers but also the people who may have voted the conservatives in'

This, I agree with. It sums up my feeling about it.

cake I can't stop thinking of the 20 year old that won a seat in Paisley. She's the perfect SNP puppet! A lot jumped on the SNP bandwagon after the referendum.

I think all of the 'Tory voters are simply selfish' is unfair. There are many reasons why 'good' people might vote Conservative. For example if they run a small business and think the Tories are the best people to protect that, or if they might be worried about their jobs under a labour government. I am a teacher so I am in a fairly privileged position in that respect, and in the respect that my family are already fairly well off, so I had the 'luxury' if you like, of not voting Conservative.

However this:
BUT we live in the 6th richest country in the world and we have the resources available to allow us to look up from the grindstone and consider the 'weaker' ones in the tribe - the ones who, for whatever reason, need some extra for a while whilst they cant create it for themselves.

sums it up for me. I just cannot believe that the only way is the make the most vulnerable in our society bear the brunt of the problems.

But some of the 'don't you care about the 1 million?' type posts are just ridiculous and naive.

Chairs do you really think your children being cold and unable to access hot water for bathing was an simply an "inconvenience" ?

On several of these threads, in rl and on local radio interviews I have heard lots of people who didn't vote labour, but are shocked and saddened they didn't get in.

Why would you vote for someone else if you want labour to get in? Did people genuinely just thinks everyone else will vote labour so it will be fine?

Possibly tactical voting? That backfired?

Maninawomansworld you are a perfect example of the selfish Tory mentality. You are doing well and want it to stay that way. Can you not comprehend that others work as hard possibly harder than yourself and your dh but do not have a fantastic home and savings?

A tory voter here who hopes that tax credits are cut drastically.

I am fed up to the back teeth of people who refuse to work more than 16 hours a week.

And you call us selfish.

Tory voter here, just watched my NDN go on another driving lesson, 5 kids in the house, psycho bf on the sick and she has never worked. This is where the cuts should start!

Lawyer - I'm fed up to the back teeth of people who moan about the benefits system but show that they don't know how it operates. You currently can't get working tax credits unless you work at least 24 hours a week. In practice, you can't usually find a job that offers 24 hours a week. So most people who get them work full time. The Tories addressed this as soon as they got into office.