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To ask if you've ever met a man who showed genuine hatred towards women?

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EmeraldThief · 05/05/2015 14:24

I only ask because in my local convenience store just now I came face to face with a former work colleague who IMO was just like that. I was the only woman at this place, surrounded by men and never had a single problem until I had to work alongside him. From the off was very arrogant, offhand and attempted to "put me in my place." I took it until one day I snapped, told him he was out of order and I wasn't prepared to be spoken to like that.

The response to that was off the scale, you know how when you usually stand up to bullies they back down, or are supposed to anyway? Well he exploded, red faced, bulging eyes, actually rocking back and forth ranting "who then fuck do YOU think you are?", "what the fuck is wrong with YOU?." amongst other things. I was for once rendered speechless, and was actually scared for my safety. I refused to work with him after that and left shortly aftewards.

It had to be because I was woman. He was was like that with anyone else and was indeed popular with everyone else there. It was bizarre and then first and only time I've ever encountered it. I know he had teenage daughters and I often wonder how he'd feel if a bloke spoke to them like that?

I should hate him for that but I see him for the pathetic creature he is. Short, bald, middle aged and borderline obese. With a really noticeable lisp. i actually pity him.

Sorry for rambling. Has anyone else evee encountered this?

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Degustibusnonestdisputandem · 05/05/2015 15:36

Daimgirl appalling doesn't even come close to describing that! Shock

TheOriginalWinkly · 05/05/2015 15:42

I was working when my team arrested a man. All his previous was violent offences against women. He was nice as ninepence to all the men, he kicked off big style when I was escorting him (no physical contact whatsover) to the transportation. Then later he claimed I racially abused him and spat in his face Shock Luckily for me, there was excellent cctv coverage of the 60 seconds I spent with him.

anorakgirl · 05/05/2015 15:44

The worst man I ever encountered like this was also a transvestite. I used to have to deal with him through work and he was a nasty alcoholic bully. I think he used his female persona to belittle and abuse women whilst pretending he was empathising with them if that makes sense. He was a bitter nasty man who flew into rages if his 'demands' could not be met. Vile.

WilsonWilsonWoman · 05/05/2015 15:44

Think Daimgirl might have won the thread. Shock Sad Angry

kewtogetin · 05/05/2015 15:48

My friend is a 999 call handler, on literally dozens of occasions the caller has refused to speak to Her/give details of the emergency simply because she is a woman. She gets told to 'put a man on' or 'I'm not discussing this with a woman'
Really, in 2015. The mind boggles. Your house is burning down but you can't possibly ask a woman for help....

worldgonecrazy · 05/05/2015 15:49

Daimgirl that is absolutely appalling, I am so sad that anyone had to go through that.

My ex-husband was one of those men that pretended to like women but I think secretly hated anyone who didn't live up to some idealised version of his grandmother. He really didn't like it that a woman could be more intelligent than he was, or was able to earn more money than he did.

I've also met lots of men who profess to love women but again, like others comments on this thread, only those women who conform to some narrow ideal of sexually available, always in agreement, man-worshipping ideal.

SunsetsAndStarlings · 05/05/2015 16:11

Yes, my former boss was a headmaster in a secondary school, an he took pleasure in destroying the careers of female teachers and administrativ staff. I don't know why so many men are just despicable towards women...and then they take personal offense that some women hate men as a group??? Well, gee, I wonder why!

Corygal · 05/05/2015 16:14

All these are grim -but daimgirl wins. I'd like to point out I've never met a successful, solvent, good-looking man who hates women.

EmeraldThief · 05/05/2015 16:15

Daimgirl that's terrible, and as with you people also tried to defend my colleagues behaviour. I even had one, who I'd previously got along really well with that " is like a brother to me. He'd never do something like that, you must have got him on a bad day". My boss tried to pass it off as a "personality clash".

Apparently I was a "know it all" who "did his head in " and that is why is man subjected me to abuse. By "know it all " I presume he meant a woman who didn't fit his ideal of what woman should be I.e weak, quiet and subservient to men. Dickhead.

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mrssmith79 · 05/05/2015 16:28

I've nursed an all-out textbook complete misogynist in the past. Antisocial PD and psychotic depression diagnosed. In my line of work it's sometimes hard but I always manage to root out some endearing quality in a difficult patient, even those with horrible forensic backgrounds can be empathised with somehow. Not this guy.

HetzelNatur · 05/05/2015 16:35

I think with most instances of men hating women, they are selective with the women they hate. IME anyway.

For example a lot I have met seem to claim they 'love women' and how could you say such a thing...but they only appear to love the women they see as subservient to their wishes. As soon as you stand up to them you're 'that sort of woman' and immediately the enemy.

I have met several men personally, some on forums - one was an admin on a forum I left as it had him, some willingly subservient women and me on it and I basically got patronised to death by the women calling for 'tolerance and understanding, he is a Good Man' till I buggered off and left them to simper.

Another misogynist is the local HT of a primary school. He took us on a tour one day, refused to engage with any of my questions, and referred to any female approaching - staff member, pupil, anyone at all - as 'here comes trouble Wink'

Absolute arsehole and shouldn't be in the job IMO.

Daimgirl · 05/05/2015 16:41

Thanks peeps, not a prize I want to win, actually that no-one should win.

In a weird way, I can look back now and it was a wake up call.

I was brought up in rural Ireland and experienced all that shit but was still in a bubble, because my parents were so open/progressive. My family was full of very strong women and men who felt/feel that that is normal (if that makes sense.)

So had the view that well that was all nonsense now days, no one really treats/thinks that women should be treated as 2nd class any more. . . .

Like I said as shocking as his behaviour was it was the others that really freaked me out. At least he was honest about it, it was the amount of trying to cover for him etc that was gob-smacking. . The constant assumption that he couldn't 'help' it, that I must have done something.

I couldn't get my head around that they thought he couldn't help it but were actively working to keep him in a post where he was dealing with vulnerable people

Seriously fucked up.

RoboticSealpup · 05/05/2015 16:47

Definitely. A guy I knew when I was around 20. He had extremely low self-esteem and the only way he could feel better about himself was by putting others down, and women were his usual target. He was the typical chippy, unattractive weirdo with no social skills who, for some reason, thinks the world owes them sex with beautiful women, even though they themselves have absolutely nothing to offer. He used to remark on how he found the vast majority of women 'ugly', but on the rare occasion someone was up to his high standards, he would put on this whole pathetic lapdog act (his own idea of a 'gentleman', I guess). When the woman inevitably rejected him, she suddenly turned into an 'ugly whore'. He was a virgin at the age of 24 but absolutely obsessed with violent porn, and when he met his first girlfriend (poor soul), he actually told people that he got rid of the porn because now they would be doing all that stuff for real...

The most vile human being I ever had the misfortune of meeting!

GlitzAndGigglesx · 05/05/2015 16:48

Judging by the words my dad used about women (including myself) I'd say yes he has a genuine hatred for them. I've been nc for over 4 years now and don't miss him or his horrible attitude

fustybritches · 05/05/2015 16:49

Just one.

Hoppinggreen · 05/05/2015 16:53

Actually my women hating relatives were/are very good looking, charming and successful. They just didn't like women who were as well.

grovel · 05/05/2015 16:58

I know one. I knew him growing up. His mother belittled him so much that I'm not surprised the poor sod has issues.

SilverSalmon · 05/05/2015 17:00

Yes, my ex. He thought, and I quote, women were slags if they had more then 5 sexual partners in their lifetime. It was OK for men though as they were different and it was in their nature to seek out sex, so who could blame them. He was my 6th sexual partner at the time.

He also used to prattle on about 'women this' and 'women that' - including women drivers - he couldn't drive himself of course, and never had a lesson, but he was clearly a font of all knowledge when it came to women who did. His dad left his mum for a 19 year old (was 45 at the time) which she obviously took very badly and about six months after their split had a one night stand. My ex was disgusted at the time and actually moved out because of this. It didn't bother him so much what his dad did though. I imagine he votes UKIP now.

I have no idea what I saw in him. I was 19 when we started going out. I could write a book about what a dick he was.

slug · 05/05/2015 17:00

I had a similar, though less violent experience as Daimgirl.

He assaulted me when I refused to sign off on something that was, if not strictly illegal, against all professional standards. He refused to acknowledge he had done anything wrong, knew how to manipulate the system and eventually had to be retired on "sickness" grounds. It was the only way they could get rid of him (I love working in Public Service sometimes)

He appeared to be incapable of hearing a woman's voice, especially in meetings.

He had the lovely habit of standing in the lift eyeing women up and down then announcing "you are really not that attractive" before leaving. We would all avoid the lifts, but the women we really felt sorry for were the ones he would announce were attractive.

The man truly made my skin crawl.

I work in IT. I encounter the lesser spotted misogynist on a regular basis.

Hoppinggreen · 05/05/2015 17:02

Also all 3 where worshipped by the women in their lives rather then anything else so the hatred can't have come from there either.
They were narcs as well though but seemed to hold women in particular contempt.
I thought it was normal until I met other men ( including DH) who genunely like women .

ScrambledSmegs · 05/05/2015 17:08

I used to think I'd worked with one in my first job, but now looking back I think he hated everyone, male or female. He was just more open about hating women, but the obsequious matey attitude he showed toward male colleagues would occasionally drop and there would be flashes of pure vitriol that took us all aback. One poor bloke was the butt of his 'friendly' jokes, it was supposedly jovial but in retrospect probably not.

He was a nasty piece of work. Unsurprisingly he wasn't particularly successful at his job and was the master of the vicious put-down. I'm pretty sure he was gay and there was never anything sexualised in his treatment of women - he just loathed human beings.

It was part of the civil service back in the days when you basically had a job for life . Probably why he was allowed to get away with it.

hidingfromthem · 05/05/2015 17:08

I've met more than my fair share of woman haters - across many colours, creeds and nationalities.

FreudiansSlipper · 05/05/2015 17:10

Yes a few

An ex I went out with just a few times. He seemed to actually adore women or so I thought he didn't it was an act he adores women who know there place they are there to please him I was shocked at the venom directed towards me and soon learnt this was typical behaviour. I had only disagreed with him about something very trivial stupidly have him a second chance but not a third and by then had heard others peoples opinion of him

And he is successful, tallish, good looking, has many friends and seemed like such a nice guy so it's not just men who are not so successful in life that have this hatred

Charlotte3333 · 05/05/2015 17:10

I knew one when I was at Uni. He was the handsomest man I ever knew but an absolute nutter. You know those people who just make you feel uncomfortable being in the same room as them? I'm not a sensitive girl, I don't act on my gut often but everything about him made my senses scream "escape now". He asked me out a few times, I refused. He shagged two of my close friends and texted me while he did it, then asked if I'd changed my mind. He cornered me in a nightclub and shoved his fingers in my face, and whispered "can you smell that? I've just fingered your best mate, what a shame you won't ever get this". Everything he did was calculated to either win women over or to make them feel like shit.

He was up in court a few years ago for repeatedly assaulting his partner, and wound up with a custodial sentence. I can't even imagine how many other women he played his mind games with over the years. He was genuinely a bit evil.

TisILeclerc · 05/05/2015 17:12

Yes. My ex. He regularly told men to 'sort out your woman'.

He was horribly abusive to me and our kids. His perp programme washed their hands of him and told me he was the most misogynistic manipulative abuser they'd ever come across.