Conservatives to eat the babies of 1m poor people

[OTheHugeManatee]

Not really.

But AIBU to be getting a bit fed up with the scaremongering threads about things the Conservative Party has not proposed to do? Like abolish child benefit or completely privatise the NHS?

It's silly. Stop it

You're very lucky if you have the spare cash to pay a tax bill if the only asset you have is as a result of an accident of geography and timing from when you bought the home you still live in. That's not how it is for most people though.

Lucky you Ptolomy, my son has high functioning autism but still needs considerable support. It certainly prevent me from working at the moment because I am a single parent. I suspect in my position you'd find you would HAVE to claim DLA for your child just to support him.

Then again according the some halfwit on the Conservative Facebook page.....everyone is on the spectrum somewhere and my son shouldn't be getting DLA.

And who was the Tory halfwit who subpages red people with disablilties just need to "try harder". Woukd love five minutes with him, I coukd break his legs and tell him to "try harder" to see how he gets on.

No I don't support them because they don't gove a shit about people who struggle. We just have to "try harder"; even if we have a lifetime of work behind us. Hate the bastards with a passion and hoping so much they get kicked out on Thursday,

Fredfred, what is a hardoworking family? Does this woman count as hard working too? I think so, I think she blows most 'hard working' families out the water. The Tories couldn't care less about her.

VivienneMary - Most of the public sector pensions have been cut so they are no longer very generous. I don't work in the public sector, but I know people in the private sector who have better pensions than many public sector people now. And the MPs pensions have not been cut.

Mostly they are people in the public sector that are getting very generous pensions and terms indeed.

That old myth again.

You're very lucky if you have the spare cash to pay a tax bill if the only asset you have is as a result of an accident of geography and timing from when you bought the home you still live in.

This sentence doesn't make sense to me. What is your point?

I genuinely thought you voted for the political party who best represented you and your family and your political opinions.

It never crossed my mind to vote for a party that facilitated my neighbours, thereby leaving my own family in hardship.

Silly me!

Shoot me now!

Because I could vote Tory and then due to my own silly mistake all the poor people will be eaten by the Tories

PtolemysNeedle I'll address my earlier question upthread to OTheHugeManatee to you - why do you support the Conservative party? (Also, not a labour voter.)

I'm not sure that I do support the Tory party yet. I may well vote lib dem, I've come out as both in the many 'vote for policies' type quizzes that I've done.

But I like how much the Tories have increased the personal tax allowance by, I agree with most (not all) of what they are doing on benefit reform, I trust them more with the economy than anyone else, and I agree with the fundamental principle of there being a small state with government only providing what it needs to to create a civilised society, while people take responsibility for themselves. The state should provide the opportunity for people to support themselves instead of offering to pay for people to make selfish choices, and I think that's what Tories are trying to do.

Tondelayo, the point is that taxing people because their home has gone up in value is incredibly unfair. It's a home, not an instant access bank account that keeps providing more cash if the rule of supply and demand works in it's favour.

Again and again and again and again "but labour brought this in, labour did that first, labour voters vote for themselves"

Try to defend you beliefs without blaming a party i have never voted for.

I suspect in my position you'd find you would HAVE to claim DLA for your child just to support him.

Maybe, maybe not. I am a single parent too. The support my son needs is provided free in school, or by doing things differently rather than more expensively. Much of it I'd have to pay for just because I chose to have a chil anyway.

Do you not think, that when a country is meant to be so skint that it's having to literally take the food out of children's mouths that it's the wrong time to increase tax allowances? Do you not think that when we keep getting told "there was no money left" it's the wring time to give millionaires £43000 a year tax cuts?

Do you not realise that the vast majority of benefits, exluding pensions, goes to people in work because too many employers don't pay a living wage? Housing benefit is a big proportion of it too because there is not enough social housing and this will only get worse under the Tory's right to buy scheme again.

Housing benefit, rather than building social housing, is much more expensive to the Government in the long run.

You are contradicting yourself with those points Fairy. One of the reasons that increasing the tax allowance is such a good thing is exactly because so many of the people struggling are in work. Don't you think it's better that those people are allowed to keep more of their own earned money?

It doesn't benefit millionaires who earn so much that they lose their tax allowance anyway, it benefits everyone else who works though.

I don't agree with the right to buy scheme, but there is a huge amount of house building going on in my (Tory) area at the moment, far far more than there ever was under labour.

fredfred

Sorry, I mistook your question as being in good faith. I didn't realise that you were being facetious and rhetorical.

Ptolemy - looking on your house as an instant access bank account is what's driven house prices upwards. Buy to let mortgages, privatised social housing, Boris facilitating the building of massive empty skyscrapers as equity for offshore investors rather than ... you know housing or offices or public spaces. For many people these aren't homes - they are investments - why shouldn't they be paying tax on these? As should anyone has been a beneficiary of this 'growth'.

How do millionaires lose their tax allowance?

Ah, I've found out. People who have incomes higher than £120k per year lose their tax allowance. It reduces incrementally for all annual salaries over £100k.

Tondelayo, those things are very different, I have no objection to taxing foreign investors significantly more, and BTL is already taxed through income tax, stamp duty and capital gains tax. You don't have to have a go at people whose home has increased in value to deal with investments, and property is already a high tax investments.

Millionaires lose their income tax allowance - scrap that sentence, I was googling at the same time to find out where the cut off was, couldn't remember the figure but you found it anyway!

Ptolemy, I accept that some individuals whose homes have gone up significantly in value do not want to or unable to pay tax on that equity. I disagree with that and am happy to contribute more on that unearned value. As are many of the home owners around me, judging by the considerable number of £2m+ homes in my area that have Vote Labour signs.

I don't have (much of) a problem with it applying to houses over £2m, but my little 2 bed plus a box room semi has increased in value by £80k in the time I've lived here, and there's no way I afford to pay tax on that. Like most people, my wage hasn't gone up and I've seen the cost of living increased, the value of my home means nothing, it's still the same pile of bricks I bought years ago, only I have to pay out more to maintain it each year.

Tbh I have seen a lot of threads condemning Labour and using monologues of massively made up crap. Conservative HQ have been busy on here recently.

I wish we could have debate without just slagging off the competition. It's boring and unhealthy.

But both sides are equally guilty.

I don't agree with taxing people on the increased value of their homes, if you are going to do that are you going to give them a rebate when the price decreases significantly as it did on many properties in both the recent property crashes?

If the prices decreases significantly, surely they wouldn't be liable for the tax?

I feel like there is nothing to vote for. Conservatives are prats, Labour are no better. UKIP are complete morons. Greens... Well, they seem least vile, but i don't think the have much chance.

i..,i think the deals have already been sorted myself, Thursday is just there to make us think we have a say in anything. The economy isnt great, the nhs is in trouble whoever gets in. Its all a farce. They side step so many questions they should all go on strictly.