Conservatives to eat the babies of 1m poor people

[OTheHugeManatee]

Not really.

But AIBU to be getting a bit fed up with the scaremongering threads about things the Conservative Party has not proposed to do? Like abolish child benefit or completely privatise the NHS?

It's silly. Stop it

As a hard working married couple with 4 children the hardest times in our lives were under the labour government. Since the coalition, business is doing better, I feel less resentful that we work really hard to bring our kids up while some of our neighbours claimed benefits to the sum much more than our income and felt they were set for life. Buying their fags and booze while we scraped together for a pack of rice now attitudes are changing as people reasses heir attitude.

I've seen more people go out to work and be happy. The company my company my DH works for is booming, under labour he had his hours cut and bonuses taken away. Things are good for us now!

I completely understand the issue of DLA, my bf has had to attend many meetings, groups, had me as an advocate to show she is unfit for work. Child poverty has always been there, food banks haven't, that's why people are now bringing up food banks.

It's silly to say the conservatives are horrible enough to eat babies

'I don't disagree with reassessing people to see if they still need disability benefits. Obviously in some cases it will be a pointless exercise, but it is very much needed in some other cases, as things can change.'

Can you link to the research to support this point of view?

I wonder if you have experience of filling in a DLA claim booklet.

It's a lengthy, wearisome process which goes through every minute of your day. The process of completing the booklet itself will shave off a % of those who require DLA or attendance allowance.

OTheHugeManatee, could I ask why you do support the Conservative party? My concern, and the reason I wouldn't vote for them, is because an equitable society is important to me, and I don't think it's a focus for them - in fact I think that they don't seem to see a problem at all. And that worries me, and makes me think that they are at least in some part blinded by privilege to the problems that those at the bottom may have.

It concerns me that it is so easy for people to slip through the net and into poverty (through disability or redundancy) and that the net to help them get back out again has been so eroded. I am also concerned that on top of this, with tuition fees being so incredibly high now, and wages to repay those loans so low, that we are moving toward a state of affairs similar to that in the US, where social mobility is very low and inequality very high, due to no nationalised healthcare, and very high education fees.

I find that really frightening, and it concerns me that the Conservative party don't seem to see any problem with any of this.

Plus there are millions of sick people who struggle desperately that don't even come close to DLA and never have and never will!

MintJulip Did you read my post, at all? If you did you would see I have been on DLA since 2000. The point of the post was to explain just how often people are reassessed!

OTheHugeManatee won't be back. They started the thread for the LOLZ about silly people getting their knickers in a twist about whether child welfare and health would be a priority for a Tory government.

Sadly some party poopers got all serious

fredfred we are also a family that has* prospered over the past few years - but funnily enough it's not all about what is good for ME and MY family but what is good for everyone.

*by luck more than judgment - I certainly would not claim to be more hard working than most of the people on zero hours contracts or in low wage jobs.

We are a hardworking family, too fred. Thanks to this Government's cuts my son started work at 4:15am on Friday morning and finished at 8:30pm. He is exempt from the minimum wage. He doesn't have a weekend off for 6 weeks and is more than likely having his Summer leave cancelled. Not only that he is looking forward to waiting to see if he and his dad still have a job if this shower of shit get back in.

What is good for everyone? Is that how we decide really?

I wouldn't mind, but non-disabled genuine piss-taker XH is still merrily dodging work and responsibilities. The only difference is that I'm now paying to get him chased up

fredfredsausagehead1

Well, yes.

What is good for everyone? Is that how we decide really?

No, not if you're a Tory voter, it's all me, myself and I!

Privatisation of the NHS started with Labour.

OhMrGove who cares who started anything? That really doesn't matter.

A very close relative of mine is registered 98% disabled for life, disability a direct result of the Public Sector job they did - guess which Government wanted to take away their help and funding? The LABOUR Government.

The stress caused by this was terrible, they came to the conclusion that they were the 'wrong sort' of Public Sector employee and are convinced that the whole process will start again if Labour are returned to Government, particularly a more left leaning Labour government.

Can you link to the research to support this point of view?

No, because oddly enough, I don't form all my opinions based on other people's research. I use my own experience and an open minded to other people's experience instead.

I wonder if you have experience of filling in a DLA claim booklet.

It's a lengthy, wearisome process which goes through every minute of your day. The process of completing the booklet itself will shave off a % of those who require DLA or attendance allowance.

The length and intrusiveness of the DLA booklet is what put me off claiming it for my ds, who has ASD. I know there are organisations that could help me put an application together if I chose to do so, but my sons ASD only costs a minimal amount compared to what it costs to raise a child anyway.

It makes me laugh that policies and practices from the Brown/Blair years that are most criticised by Tories, are the ones that are most Tory.

• PFI
• deregulation of the banking sector / light touch regulation
• War on Terror / foreign policy

Hmm. How would the Tories have behaved differently during the late 90s/early noughties?

Wtf is 98% disabled?

at fred. I mean, seriously! My socialist/liberal brain is starting to boil, so I have to hide this thread.

Completely fucked Beyond.

No, not if you're a Tory voter, it's all me, myself and I!

Whereas labour voters never vote based on what they think they will get for themselves do they? Oh no, none of them ever gained from labours policy of handing benefits to everyone and calling them tax credits, or from being able to have spare bedrooms in their homes paid for from housing benefit.

What is good for everyone? Is that how we decide really?

Let me see. I live in an overpriced house by an accident of geography and timing. I would be willing to pay more tax on that unearned equity if it meant that some of the 70,000 vulnerably housed children in this country had safe affordable homes.

That sort of thing.

PtolemysNeedle I'll address my earlier question upthread to OTheHugeManatee to you - why do you support the Conservative party? (Also, not a labour voter.)

The point of a democratic government is generally to make decisions that are the best for everyone. I... didn't think that was news to anyone tbh.

Disabled people have already been so badly impacted under the current Government. If the Conservatives are elected again, it will simply get worse. I am in the situation of struggling to keep my job as I am ill so often, but not being disabled enough to be entitled to any disability benefits.

Every labour voter I know apart from DH is voting for what suits them. Mostly they are people in the public sector that are getting very generous pensions and terms indeed. They're voting for what suits them. So am I. Haven't decided yet which party that is.