To Wonder Why Tory Voters Support a £13bn cut in benefits (inc tax credits) when hardly any tory voters even receive these benefits?

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Tory voters statistically earn more and live in constituencies that have higher property values.

Tory voters statistically would be less likely to rely on tax credits or other benefits that will be cut by the party.

Aibu to wonder why a group of voters would vote for a party that wants to cut something that they don't claim. Sounds like a of reverse Robin Hood to me.

Oh and I also don't believe in cuts as such as they usually end up being completely false economies.

Eg If you cut social care it puts more strain on more expensive hospital services.

I'll be voting Tory, along with all the decent, hardworking , tax paying people I know. And hopefully, we'll see them back in to finsih what they started.
How dare you make the abominably rude assumption that I don't work hard. You have shown yourself to be a parvenu, how embarrassing.

Emma is right.
On tax avoidance don't confuse lawful avoidance and illegal evasion. There may be mumsnetters who put money into pensions so that their income is not high enough to lose child benefit. That is lawful tax avoidance in the same way putting savings into a non working wife's name might be. I don't see anything wrong with either a benefits claimant claiming the benefits they are entitled to nor any tax payer paying just the tax which is due rather than paying double the amount although if anyone does want to pay double their tax bill HMRC will not turn you away - go forth and write the check.

What is and always has been illegal is fraud and lying - pretending you don't have income when you do and not paying tax on it.

By the way making a spouse an employee of your company does not work if that spouse does no work - they have to get on with the work in the factory whatever. You can't pretend they are working when they are not otherwise that's illegal evasion and you could go to prison. Most of us respect the law.

Interesting reading

tories too scared to defend their position on disability

It doesn't matter if its legal, corporations such as Starbucks, Google and Apple who all benefit massively from the society we provide and not contributing means that they actually cost the country more than they put in. Its amoral.

longtime Transfer pricing between whooly owned cross-border companies is a very complex area. The total profit of the group will be taxed, but allocations between countries are decided on a number of theoretical ideas. Unilateral action does not make the UK an attractive place to do business.

Jean-Claude Juncker's Luxembourg tax avoidance schemes were far from unilateral. Certainly an EU solution which discourages and punishes tax avoidance, rather than one which gives lectures on how to commit it, would be preferable. But, Britain's place in the EU is becoming more tenuous by the minute. So, sooner or later it will either be unilateral action or no action. With the Tories it will be no action. Or rather, avoid as much as you like, provided that you offer me a non exec directorship when I retire.

Monsters just because something is legal doesnt mean its right.

Pre 1991 it was legal for a man to rape his wife. Would you say that was right because it was legal?

Horrifying and appalling that men were getting away with doing this to their wives

There's morally right and powerfully right (and doubtless many other forms of right, too). I'm not sure that there is any moral imperative not to accumulate vast wealth at everybody else's expense. I suppose it depends on how you go about it. If you chain juveniles to the textile looms and make them work 18 hrs a day, it's probably questionable. But, if you discover oil, form a cartel and then hike the oil price up four times, it's probably fine.

I'll be voting Tory, along with all the decent, hardworking , tax paying people I know. And hopefully, we'll see them back in to finsih what they started.
How dare you make the abominably rude assumption that I don't work hard. You have shown yourself to be a parvenu, how embarrassing.

Apologies, Dawn.
Of course you work hard, harder than many . I just hadn't realised you'd be voting Tory .
I'll change that right now :

I'll be voting Tory, along with all the decent, hardworking , tax paying people I know. And all the other people who work incredibly hard but don't have to pay tax.

And what of the hardworking taxpayers who don't vote Tory, Emma? Do we not exist?

Obviously not Lamp. DH , me. Don't exist. Haven't for years.

Lamp? Kamp damn you autocorrect

DH , me. Don't exist. Haven't for years.

Me neither. I'm a figment of my own imagination, as are half the people I know. :)

I expect they're voting for the party that best suits them. Labour voters do the same. So can't see anything wrong with it.

Did you miss where I said people I know?

I don't know you so clearly didn't include you .

I'll be voting Tory, along with all the decent, hardworking , tax paying people I know. And all the other people who work incredibly hard but don't have to pay tax.
Hey Emma, you're just making yourself look bad now. Picking on a carer. That's really nice, isn't it. Typical Tory though.
Oh, and we were both lecturers before dh became ill. All taxes paid.

You'll be voting tory with all the decent, hard working, tax paying people you know? Thus implying that Labour voters aren't decent hard working or tax paying. I'm a Higher rate tax payer and I'll be voting Labour with all the decent, hard working, tax paying and moral people I know.

The problem with people who vote Tory is that they fail to recognise the elements of luck and society that have contributed to their success. They believe its all down to their natural talent and hard work. There is the element of hard work but the social factors that allow it to pay off have to be admitted to.

They never ever consider the fact Would the Prime Minister be in in his position without the doors opened to him through money and family connections? Even with hard work, drive and tenacity it would have been difficult for him to get there from a council estate in Newcastle.

I expect they're voting for the party that best suits them. Labour voters do the same. So can't see anything wrong with it.

I'd probably be better off under a Tory government, but I wouldn't ever vote for them. I accept that many people on both ends of the political spectrum vote for whoever they think will make them better off, but many of us think about the bigger picture.

Personally, I think it's inevitable that those who are struggling will vote for their own interests first - that's just a survival instinct. However, I'd like to think that those of us who are comfortably off could afford to be a little less self-interested. I do realise that some people will never see it that way.

I guess a part of the problem is ignorance. Emma has said that she doesn't know any hardworking people who don't vote Tory. She probably thinks that people who are poor have only themselves to blame, so it's hardly surprising that she doesn't want to help.

phone typing again. words missing.

All that decent hardworking stuff is Daily Fail, Tory propaganda. The majority of Labour voters also pay tax! That stuff is just shit. But, if anybody has a proper reason for voting Tory, let them explain it.

Yes "hard working tax payers" is just parrotting sound bites. It doesn't mean anything really.

It means something. Tory propaganda holds that non Tory people are welfare scroungers, which obviously most of them can't be. It also suggests that people who claim welfare don't vote Tory, which is doubtless just as untrue. So, it definitely means something. It's just bollocks.

Should I have put '...doesn't mean anything logical' ? :) Given pensioners who by their very definition aren't working for a living but claim welfare benefits are a group more likely to vote Tory, it is indeed nonsensical.

Mind you my dad who is of pensionable age seems determined to keep working on a freelance basis. He doesn't vote Conservative though. All these generalisations are so tricky.