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...To Feel Upset by My God-Pusher Neighbour...

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FranglaisMaman · 04/04/2015 23:41

My NDN called round earlier to ask me to keep an eye on her house while they're away on hols, she also brought a toy that she had made for my DD as an Easter present/thank you for looking after the house. Very kind.

Anyway, she has launched into religious monologues in the past when we've been alone, spouting Gospel at me, so I know she is a Christian, believes the bible etc. I'm not a believer so I always just maintained a polite "smile and nod" respectful stance and hoped she would change the subject even though I found it a bit unnerving. Anyway tonight she started talking about how the bible is gospel and how we are all sinners and Jesus died for our sins etc, I said "...is what you believe yes, I however do not". She then said "oh no, not what I believe, it is GOSPEL, it is fact, it's in the bible". I said "Ok but for me I feel the bible is just hearsay evidence" etc and explained I am an agnostic/atheist and can we please just agree to disagree and leave it there. I probably shouldn't have got into a discussion about it but I am quite an open-minded person and was happy to hear her out and then tell her I'm sorry but I just don't believe it. I'm just cynical of how she/Christians claim that all bad that is done in the world is done by Satan and all the good is done by God. I said it's very convenient. I wasn't being obnoxious or inflammatory, just telling her where I stand, but she keeps lecturing and lecturing me with her spiel. She told me you're either a sheep or a goat, and you don't want to follow the idiot goats, you need to be one of God's sheep.

The cheap shot was this, she said: "Well if this little one (pointing at my DD who was clawing at her for a cuddle) got knocked down and killed on that road out there tomorrow, it wouldn't matter then, because you're not a believer". I can't remember the exact words now. I said "I would think its a pretty cruel God to take my precious daughter away from me". She then backed down and said my DCs will have a place in heaven anyway because they are innocents in God's eyes and will rise again with God and the believers but I will be damned and be separated from my children because I have not accepted God into my life. She was getting quite heated by the end and was in my face, pointing etc, it was getting to the point where I was going to have to ask her leave.

I found the whole thing very upsetting and was shaking after she left, as I felt very victimised. My DH works away and I am home alone with a 4 month old and a 22 month old, I'm too shattered to know what day it is let alone have the answers for a theological debate :-)

I cried about it after she left, foolishly perhaps, maybe the bit about my DD dying touched a nerve, or maybe someone telling you you're hell-bound is just upsetting in itself. The whole thing was so awkward I'm dreading facing her again! I feel like I don't want to accept any of her cards/gifts for my DCs in future because she has undone all of her kindness by being so aggressive about her religious views, I don't want to encourage her into our lives.

AIBU to feel upset about her coming into my home and trying to force her religious beliefs down my throat and convert me, especially while I'm alone here and vulnerable?

OP posts:
MrsFring · 07/04/2015 20:20

PP, please don't bring ASD into this.

Allergictoironing · 07/04/2015 21:15

Like a couple of other pp, raised Christian but now Pagan. I fully respect other's beliefs, but don't try to convert them to mine and do NOT bang on about them. I've had many a good party or evening out spoiled by devout Christians desperately trying to convert me because they "couldn't bear the thought of me burning in hell for all time" - which I found amusing because I don't believe in hell.

Her comment "Well if this little one (pointing at my DD who was clawing at her for a cuddle) got knocked down and killed on that road out there tomorrow, it wouldn't matter then, because you're not a believer" I would consider deliberate cruelty, which is something I thought Christians weren't supposed to do?

Interesting that she thinks her version of the "truth" is more correct that the vicar's wife Hmm. My usual point I make to rabid people like your ndn is that the Christian god is supposed to be fair and compassionate, so why would he make your DCs suffer in the second coming. I had a discussion with some born-againers where they insisted that people who had never even had the opportunity to hear about the Christian god would still go to hell - that was the last straw for me.

ihatelego · 07/04/2015 22:01

i had jehovas witnesses knock today.. was lovely they basically started my day off by standing on my door step and telling me i'm stupid for believing in evolution, have no morals, have made the wrong choices in life and oh.. i'm a bad mother to boot - lovely! Grin

NeedABumChange · 07/04/2015 22:10

I think I'd rather be a goat than a sheep.

RizzoWasTheBestOne · 07/04/2015 22:12

Religious zealotry like hers is a common sign of mental illness.

I would give her a very wide berth from now on and stop engaging with her. She's not rational so using rational argument is pointless.

Passthewineplease · 07/04/2015 22:49

This is my first ever post. Been lurking / reading mn for a while.

OP my sister is like this, she will even go uninvited up to random strangers in the street to tell them how finding God saved her and he will save them too if they just open their hearts to him...
The thing is, that unless you have strong views on religion and are truly prepared to argue with her, there is no point in a discussion. It is incredibly difficult to argue against beliefs (not just with religion) you need pretty strong views against, and even then you are unlikely to 'win'
With my sister I just changed the subject every time, eventually she got the hint and now she doesn't say anything (just silently judges me at every opportunity she gets)

Not saying every Christian is like this at all.

To the pp who suggested ASD - this is why I posted. I cannot believe that people still have this fucking ignorant opinion!

BrowersBlues · 08/04/2015 00:30

I have a friend who I have known for over 10 years and she is heading down the path of your NDN. Like other posters' acquaintances her big thing is that without accepting God into our lives we are doomed. I told her I believed in a compassionate God and got the same response as other posters did i.e. only people who believe will be saved whether or not they have had the opportunity to hear about the Christian God.

She also has some outlandish theories about gay people which I won't even go into. I am now avoiding her and if she continues I think I will have to keep my distance permanently. I am reluctant to ignore her because I think everyone is entitled to their opinion and we have been friends for a long time. It is just that her opinion trumps everyone elses and she doesn't hp;d back.

I like her a lot but don't know how much more I can take. She went through a very difficult divorce, bankruptcy and a few other family issues over the last few years but quite frankly who hasn't. This may sound offensive but I think the trauma of those years affected her mental health and led her down this path. Her views are not particularly Christian and the church she attends does not have a very good reputation in our area.

OPI understand that you must have felt bombarded by your NDN and you really didn't deserve it. Just put it behind you and ignore her as best you can. She really is in no position to judge you. It can still be awkward as I well know.

TheCunnyFunt · 08/04/2015 08:19

Buy a pet pygmy goat and name it satan :o

dustarr73 · 08/04/2015 08:52

DOnt let her in the hall door.If she knocks keep her standing there.She is not worried about upsetting you so you have to be the same mindset.If she starts just shut the door.Shes making your life miserable so reaslly you have nothing to lose.

AgathaF · 08/04/2015 09:42

Is Black Adder religious aunt anything like your neighbour?

Dakiara · 08/04/2015 10:34

You Have to offer her an amusingly shaped turnip and have drunken roars going in the background every time you answer the door! :-D

ohtheholidays · 08/04/2015 10:44

She sounds like she has mental health issues to me OP.It's nothing to do with religion,she's not well.We have a neighbor(not next door thank God)and he's the same.

I'm a Christian and I am nothing like her!

Does she live alone or with somebody?If she lives with someone could you have a word with them?Don't let her bully you,if she can't stop you'll either have to involve the Police or have a word with the Social services adult team.You really don't want her saying those kinds of things in front of your LO's when they're old enough to understand what she's saying,she'll give them nightmares bless them.

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