to wish someone would teach those bloody Masterchef presenters about the correct use of pronouns? (not in the least lighthearted)

[MardyBra]

If John Torode says "I want to you cook something delicious for Greg and I" once more, I will fling a fucking fondant at the telly.

Isn't the "A" signifying there's only going to be one pan-fried slab of rat-arse?

I couldn't see a problem either but I suspect it could be because there is clearly only one slab or it would be slabs.

Singing My loathing of Greg Wallace knows no bounds, purely for pronouncing chocolate "chock-lit" like a fucking big bald toddler.

I don't even mind GW but this made me giggle!

Yes Soup I didn't explain myself properly. So to my ears John and I sounds fine, and me and John sounds fine.

And shockingly I have a degree in English. Medieval in my defense.

However, I am a big believer in language being very fluid and so it doesn't really matter provided you can be easily understood.

Unless someone says "he learned me" for taught in which case only public flogging is acceptable.

I think the battle against dangling modifiers has already been lost, TOSN

You are probably completely right Theoretician but it just makes me feel grumpy. I think I'm probably quite irrational (and ABU).

chock-lit made me giggle too.

"Me and John cooked a battered sausage" couldn't you? Or couldn't you?
Would you say 'Me cooked a battered sausage'? No.

"I and John cooked a battered sausage" would be ridiculous

Yes. But 'John and I cooked a battered sausage' would be fine.
So would, 'I cooked a battered sausage'

Do you see?

Although, battered sausage? Bleugh!

I'm far more irritated by the pronunciations "tatatan" and "pampadoo" tbh

m.youtube.com/watch?v=IfeyUGZt8nk

'Myself'-abuse bugs me no end. When I hear otherwise very intelligent colleagues say things like, "Myself and X will be in touch with yourselves", it nearly drives me to murder!

Yes, language changes over time, but this kind of thing is just plain wrong and sounds hideous. Rant over.

I am so sad I have had to stop watching MC. I just can't stand them any more.

Myself is a real Irish thing - dh uses it all the time, even in written communications, but it is wrong Wrong WRONG.

"Enjoy!" Is an imperative so can be used alone as a complete sentence.

I was going to mention Gladstone Brookes too. For fucks sake would you trust legal people who can't even string a sentence together?

Nissan Micra had an advert a few years ago which promised their cars has "less emissions". That really made me twitch!

I also remember a postal advert by Ikea suggesting if you wanted "advise" on home furnishings, then to give them a call. I did, but they didn't appreciate the "advise" I gave them...

The above does make me sound twatty. In everyday life it doesn't really bother me, however, I think if you are going to spend millions on advertising then you may want to spend a fraction of that on proof reading.

I don't like 'Enjoy!' because they're assuming it's enjoyable which makes them sound big-headed (not a good idea in a competition). It reminds me of waiters who say 'Not a problem' when you ask them for something. I should hope it's not a problem since it is, technically, your job. And on a different tip, what about voiceover woman's voice? Kind of forced & breathy. Imagine trying to talk like that all the time. Must be exhausting.

Glad to see there are so many like-minded pendants. Apart from weirdo Chaos with her weird crush.

The Micra advert had me shouting at the screen too.

Yes that Finish ad with Carol Smilie made me cross - cue much shouting of 'fewer - it's bloody fewer!' at the TV. My mum was an English teacher though. Our whole family shouts grammatical corrections at the telly and the radio .

Just on the pan fried thing: what the hell else are you going to fry it in? Why even say 'pan' when fried would do? The only distinction you would need to make would be when deep frying. For example, 'John and I deep fried a battered sausage'.

Isn't it pan-fried as opposed to plancha-fried? I thought it was a class thing, like when Heston went to Little Chef and found no pans at all, just the plancha grills and microwaves. So it's a distinction between that level of cooking and the more up-market use of pans.

I could be wrong, though!

I don't mind pan-fried. There are other types of frying.

The only distinction you would need to make would be when deep frying.

Why do you need to make the distinction when deep frying and not when pan frying? What makes deep frying special? The phrase deep fried is no different to pan fried really.

Agree with the pan-fried (and oven -baked) ridiculousness.

There are eleventy billion threads and probably just as many grammar websites dedicated to less/fewer btw...have a google of 'grammar mistakes that aren't actually mistakes'

DP shouts at the TV when the Masterchef contestants say "enjoy" as if it were an instruction.

I rant at "T&C's", I am well known at work for vociferously declaiming erroneous apostrophes, nearly everyone checks with me when they are writing something important - including the managers

Deep frying is a totally different cooking method from shallow frying - and requires different equipment as well. In deep frying the food is submersed in fat whereas in shallow frying, it's only one surface of the food that is exposed to the fat (and the heat of the base of the pan).

And pan-fried is different from griddle frying too - the amount of fat is usually much less, and you're going for a different impact on the food if you're griddling as opposed to pan-frying; griddling being about charring and pan-frying being a less aggressive way of frying.

So it is worth making the differences obvious when speaking about it.

What's "pampadoo"?!

Ohhhhh hang on. Is it Pain perdu?

Well EXACTLY germgirl!

(It's how GW and JT pronounce pain perdu. See also "tatatan" for tarte tatin. I don't expect a perfect french accent obviously, but some effort to make it sound correct would help).