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to think that no wonder the NHS A&E depts waiting time is bad, there are so many timewasters.

344 replies

CalicoBlue · 21/03/2015 18:46

I just spent the afternoon (3 hours) in Urgent Care/A&E with DS. I have not been to A&E in over 12 years and was really surprised at all the reasons people were there for. Granted if it had not been the weekend I would have gone to my GP, but my son's condition meant he needed to be seen today.

We were sat very close to the welcome window, so I heard every new person come in. There were so many people there who should not have been. The nurse kept asking people if they had seen their GP, so many said no.

One girl said that she had been there last week had been given antibiotics for a water infection and it had not gone so she wanted to see the doctor again, the nurse said that she should have made an appointment for her doctor and that urgent care was not to come to instead of the GP. There were at least two that had lost prescriptions given by their GP so wanted UC to replace them and would not take no for an answer. It went on an on, another person came in with his father who had an ongoing leg problem, the nurse tried to explain that he needed to see his GP, but he did not have one as he was on holiday and wanted to get his leg sorted before he went home again, they did tell him that they would not see him and he would not get the operation he said he wanted on the NHS.

I estimated that at least one third of the people coming there could have been seen by their GP. There were lots who did need to be seen, and lots of sick kids, but they had to wait so long. I felt quite guilty for being and taking up the doctors time.

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LadySybilLikesSloeGin · 21/03/2015 20:44

Oh, mine was a shit reason to be in A&E though QOD.

I trained as a children's nurse for a couple of years. I've seen parents bring their child in with a belly ache (called 999 for the Ambulance) Confused

Northernlurker · 21/03/2015 20:44

JeanSeberg - I'm assuming you work in an A&E and thus are an authority on this matter? Please tell us where you work - I want a job there! What you describe certainly doesn't sound like any unit I know.

listsandbudgets · 21/03/2015 20:44

I agree OP. Last time I went was just over 2 weeks with an arterial bleed (on my finger so wasn't about to die) as a result of a dog bite.

The lady sitting next to me was there because she'd fallen over a week ago and the cut on her knee was itching. The woman on the other side side she had a bad back and couldn't get a GP appointment. She was complaining she'd been waiting 3 hours and complained loudly when I was called in 35 minutes after the initial triage. She also asked if I'd been given anything when I went for triage and I said painkillers and a temporary dressing and she went to reception to complain she'd not been offered any pain killers.

The nurse then apologised I'd had to wait for so long whilst heavily bleeding (actually I was quite imprssed at being seen so fast!) but they'd had lots of people in time wasting and they had to see them within the time limits or the department would be marked down. Lots of sore throats, headaches and even a split nail!!

RandomNPC · 21/03/2015 20:45

The system is completely inefficient and there's a real lethargy in these places.

Expert, are you? 'Lethargy' indeed. The staff are always on the go.

RandomNPC · 21/03/2015 20:47

No one on this thread will admit they went for a spurious reason

I will. When I was a stupid 20 year old, I went with food poisoning. Still cringe about it now.

TheRightToShoes · 21/03/2015 20:47

Crikey, the op did not say she judged people on their ability to walk and talk... She heard their reasons for being there.

And sure, some people have issues with getting appointments at their GP but we cannot blame them this for all unnecessary A&E visits, sometimes it's sheer stupidity.

listsandbudgets · 21/03/2015 20:48

Ladysibil I took DD to A&E with stomach ache once - she was screaming and crying wuth pain but even then I wasn't sire I should. It was the repeated projectile vomiting that convinced me. She ended up on a drip for 2 days as she couldn't keep fluids down....

Yet I started my conversatiion with the triage nurse with "I hope I'm not wasting your time but I didn't know what else to do...."

Sometimes its hard to call especially with children

QOD · 21/03/2015 20:50

I disagree ladysybil
You could have blacked out and caused an accident or I duuno, haemorrhaged yourself to death

sorry if I'm not making massive sense, just took oramorph honestly

QOD · 21/03/2015 20:52

Well done random
So many people do/did, up to my laborious post no one wanted to admit, mumsnet is having a funny day today, it's like opposite day!

ShouldIworryornothelp · 21/03/2015 20:53

I've been for a gastritis attack before. Painful as fuck and I couldn't unfold myself for 3 hours but probably not a&e worthy

hooker29 · 21/03/2015 20:53

I have a friend who works in A&E. She actually had a beautician in last week who had broken a nail. Honestly.

mousmous · 21/03/2015 20:53

a&e might not have dentists but surely someone who could prescribe adequate painkillers until one can attend an appointment with one?

TeddTess · 21/03/2015 20:54

No they shouldn't be turned away. They need triage nurses, GPs, minor injuries and full on A&E.

listsandbudgets · 21/03/2015 20:57

I think a small payment for A&E might make people value it more. I accidentally set myself on fire in Italy (yes really - caught shirt in gas flame) and had to buy a ticket from a machine before they would see me. It was about £15 but that was in the mid 1990s so will be more now. However I was seen very fast and had a follow up appointment with a specialist the next morning. Its a difficult balance though because you don't want to put off people who need to be seen

mousmous · 21/03/2015 20:59

I wouldn't mind paying a small admin fee for a&e self referrals...

mariamin · 21/03/2015 21:00

listsandbudgets -As I said upthread, I am the type of person who is too slow to get medical help. I called the nurse out for a home visit last month. She came and straight away phoned an ambulance. I was kept in hospital for some days. A payment would make me even less likely to go to A&E.

Mrsmorton · 21/03/2015 21:02

mousmous the thing is that we have to practise "evidence based medicine" and the rother search (evidence) says that paracetamol and ibuprofen are better than any other analgesia for toothache. You can buy them OTC so... Rock and hard place

hellhasnofurylikeahungrywoman · 21/03/2015 21:02

TheRightToShoes

RandomNPC · 21/03/2015 21:04

I've been for a gastritis attack before. Painful as fuck and I couldn't unfold myself for 3 hours but probably not a&e worthy

I wouldn't say that, I presented with something similar and was admitted for a few days.

Fluffyears · 21/03/2015 21:05

I needed treatment and it was 3daya till dentist opened. The infection would have spread and caused serious issues. Getting seen and getting treated and adequate anti-biotics prescription was vital. I do agree some people Time waste but calling nhs24 usually helps as you can be assessed by a hcp when they callback and told either wait and see gp or go to a&e or ooh.

mariamin · 21/03/2015 21:06

In fact many people who are in and out of hospital are not great at going to A&E when we need to. I think you get too blase about being really ill. So a payment would have a negative impact, and people would die.

I also think you would get more violence towards A&E staff as families turn up with kids, and refusing to pay.

Sirzy · 21/03/2015 21:06

There is enough expense in having a chronically ill child without having to pay for each trip to a and e!

And with regards to turning up at a and e with a toothache - the child in the bed next to ds last week had arrived at a and e with 'just' a toothache and ended up needing two days IV antibiotics.

hellhasnofurylikeahungrywoman · 21/03/2015 21:06

Try again, MN appears to be playing up.

TheRightToShoes

The OP didn't say it but someone else, who has since apologised, did.

listsandbudgets · 21/03/2015 21:07

Pinksnow - the receptionist who booked me in was great. He took one look at me, told me to go strait through the waiting room to an assessment area and followed me through to alert a nurse. He bought the forms with him and checked me in at the same time as I was down painkillers and getting a temporary dressing.

Very efficient - or possibly didn't want blood all over his desk Grin

RandomNPC · 21/03/2015 21:07

YY mariamin

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