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Its perfectly acceptable to be rude to religous people...

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startrek90 · 20/03/2015 15:32

Definately going to get flamed here but oh well.

I get the feeling that this is perfectly acceptable to be rude about religous people. From reading the threads on this forum, and my experiences in RL, the amount of rudeness and sometimes plain nastiness is awful.

I am religous. I don't care if people are not, if they go to church or how they live their own lives or raise their children. As far as I am concerned as long as you obey the law, do what you want.

So far I have seen people imply that all religous people are closing their childrens mind, are ignorant, bigots.... its horrible!

I don't deny that there are people who are that way and use religion as an excuse.... but quite frankly you can be ignorant and rude without religion.

I am being unreasonable to be offended, but it really bothers me that its culturally acceptable to be rude to and about people of faith. You wouldn't do it to someone from a different culture or race would you? I have never bothered anyone with my faith so please stop taking it as an insult!

(Just venting, been lambasted in RL for daring to buy my son a Noahs ark toy. I thought it was cute with all the animals etc... but apparently I am raising him to be ignorant, bigoted and stupid. He will hate gay people and women and generally be a horrible person.....apparently grrr )

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DioneTheDiabolist · 22/03/2015 13:39

Religious cold callers are no different from the OP's friend. They give their view that "you are doing it all wrong", without being invited.

That's just people for you. It has nothing to do with faith or lack thereof, some people are just rude and like to slag off those who do not believe the same things that they do.

Hakluyt · 22/03/2015 13:40

"But you know continue to spout things you have never studied "

FreudiansSlipper · 22/03/2015 13:49

I do not have an issue about people being critical about religion

I do when (as I have seen on here on a number of occasions) that people who believe in God or are religious are stupid
I have never felt on here that I have had to defend my belief of not believing in God but I have witnessed many who are from a religious stance having to defend themselves

some obviously think they are oh so clever and are going to suddenly change a persons fundamental belief so they see the truth by something they have read up on (a quote from the Koran is the favourite with a question is this what you really believe) or because they quote a famous atheist or celeb's account of their feelings about religion and God

it is so utterly arrogant

Catzeyess · 22/03/2015 13:54

I am sure you are highly educated and would be facinated to hear your lecture! (I love Roman History also!)

Forgive me though many atheists say things as if they are fact when they have never ever studied them, (obviously religious people do this too and that's equally annoying!) and actually don't know anything about it, and use that to insult someone who has faith. And then have the cheek to say 'I only believe in evidence based stuff'

FreudiansSlipper · 22/03/2015 14:03

oh I love the evidence based stuff as only to be believed

which would mean that really we should never question a scientist, professor someone who has in depth knowledge as they would never ever not tell anything but the truth that is all based on actual evidence

Hakluyt · 22/03/2015 14:17

"Forgive me though many atheists say things as if they are fact when they have never ever studied them, (obviously religious people do this too and that's equally annoying!) and actually don't know anything about it, and use that to insult someone who has faith. And then have the cheek to say 'I only believe in evidence"

Why is it insulting to question things which are stated as fact?

And why, out of interest, did you think it was OK to be so very rude to me? I thought this thread was about how it's not OK for atheists to be rude to people of faith- are you saying it's OK the other way round?

Catzeyess · 22/03/2015 14:25

You didn't question something stated as fact, you stated a 'fact' when someone was sharing their personal view.

And I do apologise if that came across as rude. I of course don't think its ok to be rude be people solely based on their beliefs! But I don't remember being rude about that, just questioning the 'fact' you stated.

Hakluyt · 22/03/2015 14:38

"Quick google search there by any chance.

But you know continue to spout things you have never studied"

Wow- if you didn't intend that to be rude I would hate to be on the recieving end when you do!

And what I questioned was a poster saying there was a good and robust intellectual argument for Christianity. That is not a matter of opinion.

madhairday · 22/03/2015 14:52

We could have some fun batting back and forth on Josephus if you like, Hak

deja vu

I think there is a good robust position to say Jesus existed, died and rose again, yes. I continue to think this, despite wide reading on both sides. I think it is a matter of opinion, as there are those who think he did and those who think he didn't, and continue to debate just as has always been done.

CheerfulYank · 22/03/2015 15:24

I'm great with children Tree, it's a shame you wouldn't want me around yours.

Again, most people do not seem to get that belief in God is not a choice. Tbf some religious people don't get that about atheists either. I believe in God but I don't believe that atheists turn from It or ignore It or anything...they just do not believe It to exist.

I was not indoctrinated (my parents are not religious and seem surprised at my church going ways), I am not stupid, I am not brainwashed. I am not willfully shutting out truth and ignoring it, as some atheists would insist. I am aware of science and I have read Darwin and Dawkins and Hitchens. But yet I believe, as I have since I was a very small child who had no word for God, that It exists. That is the truth. I can't turn it off to make people think I'm not stupid, nor would I want to.

I don't believe in faith schools though, not tax funded ones. That would drive me mad and I understand the upset there.

Koalafications · 22/03/2015 15:28

I do think that it is bizarre that circumcision is legal in the UK.

I wonder if it will be criminalised in the future.

sourdrawers · 22/03/2015 15:47

Of course you shouldn't deliberately offend someone for their religious faith. No more than you should for their skin colour, accent or their hairstyle. The right to a personal opinion, does not mean you have the duty to offend those that don't share it.....

antumbra · 22/03/2015 16:13

But religious people offend me.

madhairday · 22/03/2015 16:26

Do you mean all religious people ever?

antumbra · 22/03/2015 16:36

I haven't met them all.

PurpleDaisies · 22/03/2015 16:43

So antumbra are you saying all the religious people you have met offend you? You seem rather easily offended.

TheCatAteMyTaxReturn · 22/03/2015 16:45

Mind you, most academics do think there was probably somebody called Jesus round about then

Well, there would be, what with Jesus/Yeshua/???? being a fairly popular boys name in Judea.

Good one for the MN baby names thread circa 6BC, is ???? becoming too popular?

keepitsimple0 · 22/03/2015 19:01

I think there is a good robust position to say Jesus existed, died and rose again, yes.

is there really good evidence?

Many people criticise islam here.

I think people, me in particular, have a particular problem with the C of E because they don't just go along doing their thing without bothering. endless faith schools, school assemblies, taxes, etc I hate it all.

keepitsimple0 · 22/03/2015 19:57

I should say specifically the resurrection. I imagine the evidence is quite thin.

Interrobang · 22/03/2015 22:08

Ooh, keep, you doubting Thomas, you!

keepitsimple0 · 22/03/2015 22:10

I just don't really believe in resurrections. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I'm funny that way.

Hakluyt · 22/03/2015 22:34

"I think there is a good robust position to say Jesus existed, died and rose again, yes."

Really? What is it?

antumbra · 23/03/2015 07:17

I dislike religiuos people.

THey are usually arrogant- assuming they have a superior moral position. They think their souls are worth more that the heathen, so have a golden ticket at the pearly gates. They tell me I am a sinner. They even say my newborn baby is a sinner. Their ethos is gruesome, they worship a genocidal maniac. THeir dogma supports misogyny.
I can't see a lot to like.

CheerfulYank · 23/03/2015 07:22

I don't believe anyone's soul is worth more, ant.

antumbra · 23/03/2015 07:38

Then why does god cast unbelievers to hell? If he was a nice guy then he would have everyone up to heaven. He sounds like a petulant toddler.

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