"Benefits are a lifestyle choice for so many these days"

[Bellerina2]

I'm on the bus and two women behind me are having a long conversation about perceived benefit cheats and one of them just said the above phrase. WIBU to hit her over the head with a rolled up copy of the Guardian??

But seriously, it's so depressing that people think this. Well done to the government and likes of the Sun and Daily Mail for convincing people that those on benefits are leading some sort of charmed life

No, I don't actually Hillingdon. I'm a SAHM at the moment, for a number of reasons I have talked about on here many times. At the moment it's all we can do. Dc 3 starts school in September and I will be trying my best to re-enter the workplace. At the moment, the salary is not the biggest driver for me. I am just wanting to get confident again and have a life of my own so to speak.

These comparisons with Hitler are really quite offensive IMHO.

Of course they are. As I said, look at history, or does that scare you? Start around 1933 and carry on looking...

You keeping talking about education and support as though it's something new. What if despite education and support people make crap decision time and time again - are you seriously suggesting yet more money is thrown ast these issues,

Works for the banks ....

The Nazis claimed that the existence of disabled people weakened society’s ability to operate efficiently and that the social and economic problems Germany suffered in the 1920s and 30s were partly caused by the burden of supporting disabled people.”

Translation: 60,000 Reich marks. What this person suffering from is hereditary defects costs the People’s community during his lifetime. Comrade, that is your money too.

wrong picture above, sorry.

The thing about education and support is it isn't happening and hasn't happened since Thatcher cut funding for youth groups etc. Cutbacks always have the biggest impact on those least able to sustain them.

But no ones saying that now Dawndonna. The vast majority of people want a benefits system that acts as a safety net and that is there to help people who are disabled.

Dawn - what a daft comparison.

Suggesting people work rather than bludge is hardly the Hitleresque taking of freedoms - unless you mean the freedom to choose to leech off everyone else? Which, frankly , is a freedom I'm happy to lose.

And please, please why is everything brought back to disabled people? no one - no one - is including them in the ranks of those choosing a life on benefits.

Oh good grief, I despair, I really do. It's terrifying when people refuse to see what's under their noses.

Armchair et al. Sanctions mean it is almost impossible to bludge, do tell me, someone, anyone, which bit of that is so fucking hard to comprehend. People are dying because of sanctions, the European Court of Human Rights has stated that the Work Capability Assessment is not fit for purpose, along with parliament. But of course there's nothing to see here...

Of course people who are genuinely disabled are out of this discussion, but let's accept that there are 'some' people who do swing the lead, who pretend to have a bad back and to be depressed. Those are the ones spoiling it for the rest. The blue badge scheme is one of the most abused benefits. We are know someone who used it in the incorrect way.

Dawn - just because others don't agree with you and make valid points doesn't mean you need to start quoted Hitler and co!

People are losing an argument when they quote Hitler. The left can dig their own hole on threads. They will never triumph and anyone with sense will avoid voting Labour this year. The Tories, I and everyone on the thread believes in a basic welfare state for those in need. However we don't want it to be quite as generous as now for those who could work.

Crikey, I can't quiet decide which poster has posted the biggest pile of cuntfart on this thread. It's a close battle between Jilly and Theboat.

Agreed Louis.

The Welfare state is to help those who help themselves and those who can't. Not those who won't. And this is now happening.

Dawn, I think you may need to step away as it seems your to emmotionaly involved, no one is remotely suggesting anything around the disabled and your trying to frame the topic to suit your narrative.

Some not all people do play the system legally so they can choose not to work or work minimal hours, it's a multi faceted problem, any anecdote that people know of some such incident isn't always the result of reading the DM (which is becoming an increasingly meme), this isn't just a 'nasty tory' policy either as Labour aren't going to change any of these issues, and as you state have been fundamental in the problem.

People are losing an argument when they quote Hitler.
Bless you, it must be lovely to live in such ignorant bliss.

Disabled people get pulled into these threads because they are lumped into the same group as those who sponge off the system.

"ppl need to educate themselves"

Oh, the irony!

Thank you truffle. Although this has been pointed out before.
It's also that disabled people are being chucked out of support groups and made to claim jsa, thereby suffering further. People with mental health problems are falling through the net due the wca being unfit for purpose and are having to sign on, and are then being sanctioned because their mental health difficulties or learning difficulties mean they don't always comprehend what is required of them, or they may lead chaotic lives and be late for signing, whatever. They then come under the umbrella of benefit scrounging scum. We cannot guarantee that we are targeting the right people, ergo targeting anyone becomes wrong and dangerous.

Precisely, truffle.
Lumped in because guess what in the real world disabled people and carers ARE lumped in with the perceived 'scroungers' and subject to cuts.

It doesn't matter about opinion it's still relevant input. And it feels like silencing us is denying there's a problem.

Not by those of us on here, truffle.

What, because you can tell by looking at them armchair? You know who's disabled and who isn't in the jsa queue do you?

BBA You're not allowed to say they are silencing us. Mentioning things like that means we've lost the discussion!

Agree with truffle

Not by those in here?
In real life they are.

Just because the reality doesn't fit your ideology doesn't give you the right to silence that reality.

Exactly Bishop. In real life they are. And on here it has started to creep in too. Depression, anyone?