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To be feel that some of the public have been mislead and a charity have lost out?

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JoanHickson · 01/03/2015 13:07

I just had a look at Dax's tale of New York on facebook. I now see the £13k they promised of the publics money to Ronald Mcdonald House isn't going there now. They raised the money by advising the public, funds were to cover medical bills, then they were going to give to the charity.

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 03/03/2015 11:27

I think that the key is openness and honesty. It's my understanding that the insurance company offices were closed when the baby was born, so there was a period of time when they genuinely didn't know if their medical bills would be covered - bloody scary, I am sure.

I think it would have been more sensible for the dad's employer to have waited until they got an answer either way from the insurance company before starting to fundraise, but I can understand the wish to help his friends who were in a scary situation.

If they had been open and honest from the get-go, I would have been much less concerned with it - if the fundraisers had said, 'We are raising funds in case the insurance company don't cover the medical bills, and so that Dax's parents can pay their ongoing bills back home, whilst they are in NY with him' - and if they had made it clear, as soon as they knew, that the insurers would be paying the medical bills - then I wouldn't have had a big problem with it. People would have known the facts, and could have made an informed decision about whether or not to give money.

As I said earlier - I also think they should have kept records of what was spent and how it was spent - so they could demonstrate that any expenditure had been in line with what people believed they were donating for.

But I don't think they were open and honest, and I do think they were a bit too focused on getting the money. I find it rather suspicious that they did not want to follow up any suggestions of how to get more clothes and other necessities out to them from their home, but just seemed to want to buy new. To be honest, if I was in that position, the last thing I would want to have to do is to go shopping.

If they had said that they were going to pay to have a couple of boxes of clothes etc airfreighted out to them, I would have thought that was a sensible and reasonable use of some of the funds that had been raised.

I think crowd funding (which is what this really is) is fine - as long as the people asking for the money are open and honest, and as long as the money is spent on the item/s it is raised for. I've recently seen a campaign on my FB - someone's friend wants to buy a new kiln for his pottery business. He is asking for money for a new kiln - if you give £10 or more, you will get a hand made bowl. This, to me, is a perfect example of crowd funding - he's been entirely open about what he wants and why, and people know what they will get if they choose to donate.

LilMissSunshine9 · 03/03/2015 11:52

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius - I agree with your post entirely and its what my issue it about it all.

I was following the facebook page and saw a womon post a link to her page where she was askign for money to help pay for a new boiler (she had just had a newborn and couldn't afford it). She got plenty of comments about how she should go back to work and not ask people to pay for it....quite hypocritical really. Such is the mentality of some that its quite scary to think we live amongst people who are really that stupid to be falling over themselves to defend Dax's parents for asking money to cover their bills but think its ok to have a go at another person for asking money to cover the cost of a boiler. Hmm

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HelpMeGetOutOfHere · 03/03/2015 12:34

He says in his interview on this morning that when he showed the insurance to the hospital that they said it wouldn't be covered? or wasn't accepted sorry can't remember exact wording now.

So sad that i'm guessing many many people aren't even aware that the money that they donated isn't going to help with medical bills. The baby doesn't need a trust fund, his medical needs will be paid for by the NHS here. That's if he has any as many premmie babies go on to have perfectly normal healthy lives past those first few months/year.

Anyway good luck to baby Dax I hope he is fit and healthy and no ill effects of his premature delivery.

HelpMeGetOutOfHere · 03/03/2015 12:35

oh and I did donate, but to RMH and giving the change to the collection boxes at the mcd's drive throughs now, to help others that need it.

TerraNovice · 03/03/2015 17:32

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MsAnndrist · 03/03/2015 17:43

Wow, I've just watched the ITV interview and would happily say to the them keep the £13k on the condition thats hen ad never opens his mouth again! What an irritating man. He didn't let her get a word in, did he?

MsAnndrist · 03/03/2015 17:44

that the dad, not thats hen ad!

Panzee · 03/03/2015 17:49

Is the collective noun for Mumsnetters a froth? :o

Jellybee1978 · 05/03/2015 09:10

I dont understand what everyones problem is? Are you forgetting that a young couple were stranded in America after the very early arrival of their son (who is an absolute beaut when i saw him on this Morning) they were initially told they werent covered on the insurance. How horrifying would that be to anyone? A kind hearted friend (probably paniking in the process) set up a facebook page initially for their friends, family and the local community to support the couple. He started a fund raising page to help them out. Never stipulating that the money was definately going towards med bills. Hallelujah they found out they were covered by the insurance!!! The friend on facebook offered refunds to anyone who didnt want their money going direct to the new family but looking at the amont of money still in their pot, The wonderful people of the world were happy with that so why can't everyone else be? A lot of bitter jealousy if you ask me... Shame on you

EveDallas · 05/03/2015 09:23
  1. He wasn't a kind hearted friend, he was their employer.
  2. They were never told they wouldnt be covered by insurance, they said they 'didn't know if they would be covered'
  3. The original FB and GoFundMe page explicitly said the money would be for medical bills. That was eventually changed and they said it was for clothes/baby equipment. Then when people offered to send clothes/baby equipment rather than money that was changed to 'covering their bills back home'. Finally TrickyDicky said that people should donate direct to RMcD House, but took another 4 days to post a link.
  4. As soon as one person requested their money be refunded they were subjected to horrendous abuse, their personal FB page was posted, details of their employer posted and threats made to them. Thereby quickly stifling anyone else asking for a refund.

Maybe get your facts right first. No shame on us, but plenty on them.

TheIncredibleBookEatingManchot · 05/03/2015 09:23

Is it just me or is anyone else curious about the thought processes of people who are urging a couple to keep thousands of pounds of other people's money they don't need instead of donating it to a charity where it could help hundreds of families in desperate situations?

Are they thinking that if Dax's parents keep the money it sets a precedent which means if they ever find themselves in that situation they too could keep the money, and have a clear conscience, saying "we're just doing the same as that other couple"?

Are they attracted to the (minor) celebrity of Katie and Lee? If they send them supportive messages on Facebook and are seen to be taking their side, does it make them feel like they have famous friends (even if they don't know them in person)?

Sorry, I'm kind of going off on a tangent from the OP a bit, but I just find it really odd.

LineRunner · 05/03/2015 09:26

Jellybee, May I kindly suggest you read the whole thread which contains all the answers to your questions?

LineRunner · 05/03/2015 09:30

TheIncredible You are probably right about the '(minor) celebrity' of this couple attracting a certain type of supporter.

It would explain the bizarre assertion above by avid fan JellyBee that those offering any criticism are 'jealous'.

KittensOnAPlane · 05/03/2015 09:34

Everything evedallas said

JoanHickson · 05/03/2015 09:41

They do tend to attract a very odd sounding bunch of fans people posting support on their page.

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JoanHickson · 05/03/2015 09:42

Have they actually taken five minutes out of their day to transfer the money? thought not

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Cariad007 · 05/03/2015 09:43

What is with "oh you're jealous" being trotted out every time a criticism is made of someone in the public eye?

Cariad007 · 05/03/2015 09:43

What is with "oh you're jealous" being trotted out every time a criticism is made of someone in the public eye?

JoanHickson · 05/03/2015 09:45

It's pity not jealousy, I feel towards those having to tolerate the words out of that mouth, content and sound.

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/03/2015 09:46

Is it just me or is anyone else curious about the thought processes ...

No, it's not just you ...

Jellybee1978 · 05/03/2015 09:49

Why are you attacking this couple? What have they done wrong? I dont think they chose to have their son prematurely in America do you? Thousands of people are supporting these guys and a bunch of hormonal women are a bit miffed about the donations they have received. The funding page was updated when they found the insurance would pay and it stated that money donated would go to the new family, yet people still kept giving to them. Explain that one please?

JoanHickson · 05/03/2015 09:53

Hormonal Women?

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FiftyShadesofFey · 05/03/2015 09:56

Got a bridge I could sell you, Jellybee.