to think they should charge the Syria girls

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If they are indeed with terrorists in Syria then when a small chink of sense comes back to them and they want to come home, I hope they will be charged.

Naive children or young women?

Culturally, in the UK we would say they are 'just kids' but from the countries of their forefathers, they would be of marriage age, wouldn't they? How are they treated at home - children or adults? Would they be of an age when traditional parents are thinking about their marriages?

They wear headscarves to indicate their maturity and sexual awareness/attractiveness. Women/girls like this rushing off to become 'brides' - again, kids or women?

They have been exposed to so much crap and venom already. If they return to the UK, how can we know what is going on in their heads? What will they be spreading to their friends?

When I was that age, the worst a girl in my year had ever done was French kissed a boy, and seen a guys willy in a sauna in Sweden, not witnessed murder, executions, been forced into god knows what... I would be shitting myself if I had kids at that school.

This is the extract from the articles linked upthread. It would be better to circulate this round schools at risk before girls get any romantic ideas about what awaits them:

In a series of questions and answers, the Islamic State doctrine stated: “It is permissible to have sexual intercourse with the female captive.

“It is permissible to buy, to sell or give as a gift female ­captives and slaves, for they are merely property which can be disposed of [as long as that doesn’t cause any harm or damage].

“It is forbidden to have ­intercourse with a female captive if [the master] does not own her exclusively. One who owns [a captive] in partnership [with others] may not have sexual intercourse with her until the other [owners] sell or give him [their share].

“It is permissible to have intercourse with the female slave who hasn’t reached puberty if she is fit for intercourse; however if she is not fit for intercourse, then it is enough to enjoy her without intercourse.”

There's a bit that says that girls between 10 (!) and 20 are worth more than older women. There is an actual trade according to that article. My best guess is that these girls were met in Istanbul and escorted across the country- it's quite a long way and I doubt they would have managed it alone tbh.

But they view slaves, captives, non Muslim, etc no better than cattle. They don't give a shit if their glorious warrior hero husband rapes a slave child. To them its probably no worse than kicking a dog.

These girls will gave been bought tickets and 'handlers' will have met them at the other end.

They have, in essence, been trafficked. Just like girls who are lured to UK with the promise of nanny or bar jobs only to find themselves in prostitution.

As far as I can see, we have here three teenage girls who, out of a misplaced desire to be part of a political struggle, have put themselves in extreme danger. I think getting them back should be the priority. I'm not even sure what the OP wants them charged with.

We have a very curious situation in Syria at the moment where ISIS is fighting for the very thing our government wants, namely the overthrow of the Assad government.

Not just the overthrow of Assad. They want to be in charge of everything and everyone, and whoever disagrees gets killed.

Women should be neither seen or heard, popping out babies whilst stirring the stew. Gay men don't exist (not sure if they acknowledge lesbianism) , but if they did (no doubt as a result of the West's corruption) then they will be tied to a rock and thrown off a tower.

They don't want a better world, they want a world where they rule with fear. No democracy, no opposition, no voice.

I was a well-behaved teenager fatlazymummy but I had my moments of idiocy because I was a child and thought I knew it all. That is the state of teenagehood.

I congratulate you if you didn't. Except I am a little sceptical. Did you never do anything stupid? Ever?

I wouldn't condemn a 16 year old for doing something daft and dangerous because that's what they do and I don't understand anyone who denies it.

My mum said to me when I was about 14: 'Please be careful because though Mummy and Daddy love you, we can't always make things right.'

I guess the parents of those silly girls might have said the same thing.

I took her advice. They didn't.

It amazes me that 16 year olds are allowed to marry if they're still children as many say they are.

That just about sums it up nochocolate.

I must admit that I don't have the greatest amount of sympathy for the people who go to join ISIS. They are well aware from ISIS's own propaganda what slaughter they are wreaking in the name of their special brand. The people joining them think of course they will be on the enforcement end of this stuff and are going over to support this affliction on others. Is there not a fair amount of cruel intention in that? If they (unfortunately for them) end up as victims of the organisation whose methods they support when inflicted on other people....well? Of course I know they may be young, but many of ISIS victims are young too (and old, and ill) and they didn't ask to be part of it.

I think initially there were whisperings of the west maybe arming people who were fighting Assad. Much like the Americans arming of the Taliban when they were fighting the Russians and making them the force they became.
I think that has now passed.

salthill- It amazes me that 16 year olds are allowed to marry if they're still children as many say they are. quite

How many people do you know who are still together even though they got together in their mid teens? I personally only know of one family, and they were forced to get married by their parents due to pregnancy.

A vast proportion of those young couples split up. Most of them never even make it to marriage.

If someone ever comes on these boards saying that as a 16 or 17 year old they feel judged for being a parent, everyone immediately reassures them that they are more than mature enough and grown up to be a mother. So what is it at 16? Are you grown up enough to make decisions, take responsibility, become a mother or not?

If & (we don't know definitively, however it seems pretty likely) that they have gone to be Jihadi brides, then I hope that that karma comes back to bite them and then the link to an article about sexual slavery.

Are you actually saying that you hope three teenage girls will be repeatedly raped and abused? Because they have been foolish and disaffected enough to join this organisation? Fucking hell,That is perhaps the worst comment I have ever read on this forum. Even my FIL, who is so racist that he thinks Muslims are sub-human would baulk at wishing that upon them. I am flabbergasted.

Child sexual exploitation may well be the end result for these girls IF they cross the border into Syria.

But it was not imo straight forward grooming to marry some handsome fighter. I think they also went because the ultra violence and being top of the food chain as a result of this violence was an attractive part of the package.

The desire for higher status is a thoroughly teenage characteristic. Scratch that I want that even as an adult at times.

The desire for status through violence is the most disturbing part to me. Violence to everyone isn't part of the club which would include friends and neighbours. How do you tackle that mindset? That I find very scary. That is not a typical teenager or there would be packs of feral teens rampaging . I don't know what the answer is but to toss this into the bucket of ill advised teenage misdeeds is insulting to teenagers.

My point is children, young women, mature youngsters, or worldly wide women it does not matter.

However you view them they are exceptional. They think joining an extremely violent group and marrying in to gain preferred status maintained by murder, rape and slavery of those who don't belong is not only ok but worth leaving home and all you know for.

nochocolate: "Not just the overthrow of Assad. They want to be in charge of everything and everyone, and whoever disagrees gets killed."

Thanks for the education - without that, I might have remained unaware of what a nasty organisation ISIS are.

Seriously, though, the point is that if the UK government had chosen to intervene in the situation in Syria - as seemed likely at one point - we would have been fighting on the same side as ISIS. Our government's approach to world conflict is determined by pragmatism as much as principle.

I don't agree that they deserve what's coming to them in terms of going and joining is bad therefore suffer your punishment like being crowded for drinking a beer.

This is not normal behaviour. I am not suggesting they come home and pick up where they left off. In fact I think they need to be a secure unit for quite some time.
I just think you cannot punish the crazy let's kill the unbelievers and the not devout enough and anyone else who gets in my way our of them.

With the state of NHS dentistry though, they may be be lucky and be spared.

Oh my god. Sweet revenge? You horrify me. If this is humanity... Stepping away from the thread now.

Those poor, silly, stupid stupid girls!

They were high achieving students at one of the best performing state comprehensives in an immensely privileged country. Assuming their families wouldn't have stood in their way, there were few limits of what they could have achieved or been.

If they have gone into Syria or joined IS I worry that their lives are effectively over. At best, repatriation leading to prison, at worst, lives of slavery, rape and torture that could end in death.

Yes, I feel sorry for them. Promising young lives ruined before they've even begun.

If they've done something wrong that doesn't mean I think they should go unpunished. If they've committed chargable offences they should be charged. But I still feel pity and sadness.

I disagree it is anything like the trafficking of women and girls who think they are coming to Europe for legitimate jobs.

All the evidence suggests They have chosen to go to, in order to join and support a murderous terrorist organisation whose aims are incompatible with democracy and equality.

Not quite the same as thinking you're going to live a better life as a dancer in a bar

Its the dangling carrot. All the 'you get looked after, flat of your own, food, husband, babies, away from all those nasty kaffurs, bla bla bla' nonsense fed to them. Hoodwinked all the sane by a promise if what they crave. A zillion miles away from reality (unless they want to live with a dirty murdering child rapist if course). They can't all be Rose Wests can they?

I suspect these girls didn't believe anything western media said about Isis. Presumably they were brain washed into believing that the negative things said about Isis on western media was just propaganda.
If they come back with their tails between their legs abd havent committed war crimes then I dont feel prosecution is needed provided they are not a security risk.
I don't agree with the parents though that it was the government s responsibility to stop them nor do I want any resources wasted on finding them

Some have been raised with the mentality that religion and family honour is the be all and end all.

They believe that they are in some way better than their neighbours (who are kaffur anyway, so don't count), and they must never, ever display westernised traits or will be disowned. Its not exactly hard to turn this to positive hatred is it? Easy enough to find people online who can feed them any sort of bullshit of how 'we' have better lives and everyone else us wrong.

Victims? I'm on the fence. Yes, I was young and stupid once, but still had sense never to hurt anyone, or get myself (or amyone else) into danger.