to think they should charge the Syria girls

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If they are indeed with terrorists in Syria then when a small chink of sense comes back to them and they want to come home, I hope they will be charged.

It is their border. They are British. If I go and lI've abroad for a bit I'd still be British.

26.2, you don't become Spanish simply by moving to Benidorm for a few months.

I cannot get my head around wanting to join a group that see you as second class citizens. That have been raping and enslaving other women. What could the possible attraction be?

They are children, they have been groomed, they are victims who will almost certainly be sexually abused.
I cannot understand how anyone could view them differently.

Lots of people are cajoled, persuaded , coerced into criminal activity, often by the man they love.But quite rightly people are responsible for their own actions. The law of the land is these girls have reached the age of criminal culpability.Would there be so much sympathy for a boy of 16 going to join these terrorists.I don't think so!

i wish I knew what they should do with people who do this,
something that is for sure. you cannot just say they are victims and treat the as such , they are a threat.
we can't risk another innocent person being murdered

limited your fevered post was aimed at me. Where are my fevered revenge posts?

We. Don't. Know. Where. They. Have. Gone. Nor. Why.

They are 15.

They are British citizens.

Nobody is going to be going into Syria to retrieve them, if that's where they've gone.

Some of you are I think justifying your views regarding these girls because they are of Asian descent. This radicalisation could happen to any one of our children though. We simply do not understand how it is happening, that is why it is such a threat. The mosque these girls attended is very moderate.

Frankly if they've reached Syria I don't think we have to concern ourselves with what punishment they should or will incur on their return home.

No way will they be coming back. Either they are radicalised already, or soon will be, or they'll be kept as selves to service IS men or they'll be used as hostages.

I can't bring myself not to feel sympathy for them and their families, but I don't think my sympathy is going to be worth a damn if they've been trafficked over the border.

Meanwhile, have I missed it but where are all the senior Muslims right across the UK standing up to say they will work to tackle this issue that so threatens their children? These leaders should be on every kids programme, in every school and college and just everywhere now making kids understand that this extremism isn't what being a Muslim is about.

god not the racism card
I just do not want to see another person murdered.
end of
imo they are silly girls and would love to hear they never made it to where ever and are home safe.
but sadly that won't happen.
what needs to happen is something to stop these yp feeling the need to do this.
my god the poor dad who lost at 2 of his sons(maybe 3) they were teens. terrible

If they were not British, then British law would not apply to their actions overseas. It is solely because they are British that the extra-territoriality (is that the right word?) can apply.

I cannot see why they should be different under the law than any other British person.

Er, one of them is German I believe

The third one has only been named in the last hour of so, and I hadn't seen that she's German. No idea how an EU national resident in UK is treated under extra-territorial provisions of the terrorism laws. Anyone know?

The two who were named earlier were both reported as British nationals (Guardian and elsewhere).

TSSDNCOP no it's the teachers schools and colleges who have been told to watch out for and prevent this, no mention of Muslim leaders,or even the parents sorting it out, oh no, it's down to the teachers!

tss an excellent point about leading british muslims

My very moderate Muslim friend rang me straight after the Charlie Hebdo events. She was in tears. She said she was sure there would be repercussions. She said that maybe she was in wrong religion.

I pointed out to her that Islamic terrorists do not represent her any more than they represent me, and that they no more represent their religion than the Waco nutters represented Christianity.

In fact, if anything, this lot are even further away from their purpose and tenets of their religion than the Waco nutjobs were.

limited your fevered post was aimed at me. Where are my fevered revenge posts?

OP. There are 14 pages here and you've posted on just about every one.

Take your pick.

I'd expect the OP to be on the pages of a thread she started

You didn't answer my question though limited - if a 15 year old cut the head of your child would you resolve them of any responsibility ?

I want to cling to the idea that maybe they went to rescue their friend, not join her cause. I still can't get over their western trendy clothes.

If my 15yo DS was stupid enough to go off & join violent extremists, I'd be delighted for his butt to be slapped in prison upon his return. At least it would delay the opportunity for him to return to be their cannon fodder.

My mother had to live something similar (drugs not terrorism); everyone agrees it was a very good thing that she pressed charges sending my brother to prison.

joyfull- two things.

You "absolve", not resolve. You absolve people of responsibility.

These girls haven't yet done anything wrong. They have done a potentially enormously stupid thing, but they are not yet criminals. Generally we wait for people to actually do something wrong before we bring down the weight of the law upon them.

I can't bring myself to talk about the spelling mistake in your name.

I wonder if there would be so much sympathy and excuses if it was white male Christians/atheists joining the BNP or the Ku Klux Klan or some other dodgy organisation?

I don't teach in school's anymore because I find my emotional response to the ....(fake name) Marcos of my world too hard to manage. It reduces my effectiveness as a teacher. Which is always a bit iffy when it comes to discipline at the best of times.

I see Marco maybe every couple of three months or so these days. The 13 year old I used to teach is now a hulking angry 21 year old member of Lega Nord.

And he breaks my heart. Not words on a page "breaks my heart". More a question of an internal so I don't give away with my face and my eyes how much it pains me to see where he's ended up. And the rest of the day is usually lost to a sort of melancholy.

He spews disgusting ideas and concepts. He has a criminal record. His vision of females is awful. And all I can think about when he dashes over all excited to say "hello" (the single word I managed to teach him) is how he never stood a chance.

Becuase working in schools left me privy to details I wish I'd never heard. I much preferred the world when I knew there was an unlevel playing field, but had no idea just how many children were trapped by the run-off at the oh so boggy, bottom of a steep slope, with precious little chance of moving half an inch, let alone clawing themselves up out of the mire.

Something I can't cope with when it comes packaged with a human face that I have come to know.

Which makes me downright bloody useless as a classroom teacher in a state school. Becuase I think you probably need knickers of steel to set aside your own feelings and concentrate on doing what you can for who you can, for as long as you can. And kudos to those who place limits on prioritising their own emotional response in order to best serve the children in front of them..

So...um. Yup. I think rather more people than you'd imagine are equal opportunity "bleeding heart", especially when it comes to the young. Not typically by choice. Not usually by design. Not normally done with the express intent of annoying people. Maybe often just becuase ... something along the line may have caused a chink in the "they should know better" amour.

I think it's quite weak and very lame to be picking on peoples typo's and spelling mistakes. It's just a message board not an exam paper!

Don't you think duchesse, though I'd rather be typing aD as its your name.

You didn't answer my question though limited - if a 15 year old cut the head of your child would you resolve them of any responsibility ?

Joyfulldeathsquad If they did that, I'd want them prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

I wouldn't resolve them of any responsibility, or even absolve them.

But it's moot because these girls haven't done anything yet except running away.

ragged they look like they're going on a french exchange trip don't they?

And TBF Joyfull they only went on Tuesday, I doubt they've even been fitted for their burkas yet.

26.2 they're aren't enough .

Duchesse it's the people like your friend that baffle me most. This is their religion, the faith they've chosen to follow, that shapes their lives. I would be outraged if my faith was been hijacked in this way and kids being brainwashed to do such terrifying things to themselves and other people.

If I were a Muslim leader I would be mobilising. I would want responsible people from the community everywhere helping kids, answering their questions alerting their parents and schools.

Is this happening? God I hope so.

THERE aren't enough

26.2, my point is if a person can't even spell commonplace words in their rant against 3 young school girls, it makes it look as their "reckon" was gleaned from the pages of the popular press rather than arrived at after mature reflection and consideration, and maybe a whole shed-load of reading and acquainting oneself with the subject matter before speaking.

It loses credibility.