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to want to move 'up north'?

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onemiddlefinger · 19/02/2015 14:38

That is if South Yorkshire is actually considered 'up north'?
We have always lived in London and now DH might have a job offer near Sheffield and i'm actually surprised that really want to move.
If someone told me 3 years ago that we might be moving nearly 3h away from London i would have been laughing, but now it might be a reality and i'm really hoping it works out.

We would have less money each month, but i would be able to stay home with DC for a few years and we would have much more space, a lovely house, a garden and DH would have more free time to spend with us.
I'm just so sick and tired of squeezing into our tiny flat and worrying about the downstairs neighbours coming to complain again about the noise and the commute on packed tube trains and just generally people everywhere.

AIBU?
Maybe it's just a phase of being fed up and once we actually move i'll be missing London? This is really all i can think about the last few days and in my head i'm already decorating the house and imagining us there - kids happy playing, our family able to come and visit (they live in another country) and actually be able to stay with us comfortably.

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Enjoyingmycoffee1981 · 20/02/2015 16:38

You nailed it apatite

morethanpotatoprints · 20/02/2015 16:41

Whoever said London was the most varied city in UK obviously hasn't been to Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds etc.
Far more variety in the North because we don't all work in the same type of places.

TheWordFactory · 20/02/2015 16:48

You think everyone in London does the same job?

EmperorTomatoKetchup · 20/02/2015 17:05

Oh these threads always end up like this, defensive Northerners and Londoners who think the rest of the country is backwards. My favourite was a thread a couple of weeks ago where one London based poster insisted you couldn't possibly get a coffee anywhere after 5 in the North. I also equally hate the Londoners are unfriendly etc stereotypes.

Anyway I love London and we go down 2/3 times a year to do the big musuems etc, but I also love where i live and have plenty of museums/galleries within a 15/20 minute train ride or drive from my house;

Leeds City museum
Leeds Art Gallery
Leeds Henry Moore Institute
Thackray Medical Museum
Royal Armouries
Lotherton Hall Fashion Galleries
Temple Newsam galleries and exhibitions space
Yorkshire Sculpture park
Hepworth Gallery
Yorkshire Museum
Yorvik Viking Centre
Kirkstall Abbey House musuem
Industrial museum
various independent galleries/art spaces
Lots of pop up art nights etc

Or if I wanted to see opera/ballet/plays I could go to;
Grand Theatre/Opera North
West Yorkshire Playhouse
Carriageworks theatre
Northern Ballet
Phoenix Dance Theatre

It's not London, of course it's not, London is the bloody capital so there'd be something seriously wrong if it didn't have more theatres/museums/galleries etc. but I can go out and do something cultural every single night if I want to in Leeds which a lot of London centric posters seem to think is impossible. I don't because I'm too busy battling bedtime..

Basically what I'm trying to say is it's not all or nothing ffs

Enjoyingmycoffee1981 · 20/02/2015 17:06

Theword....ignore. That kind of stupidity isn't going to be easily overcome

shovetheholly · 20/02/2015 17:08

I lived in London for many years and I love it passionately as a city. (My Dad is a proper cockney and have lots of family who have lived there for centuries). I now live in Sheffield. I think I like it more up north, but it is not an unmixed picture.

The thing I love about living in the north is how easy it is. First of all, the difference in house prices means that I can afford to live extremely cheaply (I am a woman of very simple desires), which ultimately means that rather than being locked into a job that I can't leave for financial reasons, I can basically do whatever I like. The freedom it brings is amazing. I can never be grateful enough for it, really - to the point that it basically outweighs everything else/

Secondly, the city is so easy to get around. I love walking when I am well, and I can basically walk anywhere in Sheffield from my house. I can be in the city centre in 15 minutes, or in the peak district in 15. I can even walk to Hathersage across some of England's most beautiful scenery via footpaths that involve me crossing just a couple of roads. Sheffield is also the safest place I've ever lived - pubs are full of a very mixed crowd of all ages, and you don't get hassle as a woman. Smile

If high culture is your thing, the theatre is amazing. There's a fabulous independent cinema, too. But the galleries and museums are crap and you'll need to travel for classical music too.

However, there are things I don't like. It isn't as friendly as the south. People always tell me that Sheffield is a friendly city, but in my experience of living here for 10 years this is a total lie told by people who have never lived anywhere else and have no point of comparison really. It doesn't begin to compare to London let alone friendlier places in the South East. In London, you can walk into a shop and have a bit of banter with a shopkeeper you've never seen before and it's lovely. In Sheffield, people think you are mental if you speak to strangers in shops about anything except shopping. Some people in shops will sometimes growl at you or be rude like they don't really want to sell anything. There isn't much of a culture of smiling or chatting to strangers on the street either. I found this very depressing when I first moved here. There can be a culture of aggression too - not physical violence, but temper and frustration are probably shown a bit more than darn sarf. The upside of this is that there is no smarmy bullshit of the kind you sometimes get sold in London, and people don't tolerate pretentiousness.

Shopping in the city centre is rubbish - if you want big stores, you need to travel to Meadowhall, which in my opinion is hell on earth and to be avoided at almost any cost. However, there are peripheral areas with increasingly interesting and lovely independent stores, which are so much fun to shop in! Nottingham and Manchester are within easy reach, though, and fun to shop in if you need to visit the high street chains.

Food culture is improving slowly, but nowhere close to London yet. There are a handful of decent restaurants in the city centre, though, and a couple of stellar establishments close by. You can get a better pie than anywhere else in the country, though Smile

The vibe of large parts of the richer areas of the city is conservative with a small 'c' (take a look at the interior decor of the richest areas in Sheffield on Rightmove and you see an explosion of Hyacinth Bouquetness). This is true architecturally too - the city feels like a lot of it was jerrybuilt, without the care and attention shown in other northern places, though to me this has a kind of charm now. Shops in the city centre shut at 5 and much of it falls rather silent - there isn't the sense of random adventure that you get in London, where you could meet just anyone stood outside a pub. On the other hand, the pubs are homely, safe, and populated by a proper cross-section of people, and the beer is fantastic - less so the wine or cocktails in most places.

SantasLittleMonkeyButler · 20/02/2015 17:08

I love the comment about education being so much better in London Grin.

Ah, yes, where many homes have no catchment area at all and everyone seems to be selling their grannies to get into an Ofsted Outstanding school or living on the breadline to send the DCs to private school. Where spending £1m on a house still can't guarantee that you'll be living close enough to get a place at your preferred school in the same road.

Compared to here (North Midlands more than North as such), where there is an actual choice of Outstanding primary schools & a choice of three excellent secondary schools - all Good or Outstanding - none of which are oversubscribed (because it's a rural area and there are more places than children!).

Students still leave for Oxford, Cambridge & the other top-notch universities from schools up here you know.

Excellent education doesn't always have to be fought for. Some people could even be doing their DCs a favour by leaving the London education nightmare behind!

Enjoyingmycoffee1981 · 20/02/2015 17:12

Shove the Holly. ... Thanks for your post. Made for interesting reading for a hardened southerner here.

Enjoyingmycoffee1981 · 20/02/2015 17:16

I'm always baffled by people talk to about the lack of friendliness down south and in London.

I used to work in London and we would frequently get people over from our foreign offices. We would often take them to the regional offices, many of which were up north. Almost without exemption we had comments how up north seemed so distant and almost a bit wary of foreigners. Whereas London and the south were much more welcoming and generally at ease with people they didn't know.

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EmperorTomatoKetchup · 20/02/2015 17:47

You seem very wary of 'Northerner's' Enjoyingmycoffee? Is there any particular reason?

I think outside of London, racism and xenophobia is very much as alive in the south as it is in the north. Admittedly based mainly on my DH's southern town.

Chunderella · 20/02/2015 17:47

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EmperorTomatoKetchup · 20/02/2015 17:50

In fact I think that's the reason I've never really seen a North/South divide. The only difference between my northern home town and my DH's southern home town is accent.

Preciousbane · 20/02/2015 17:53

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fredfredsausagehead1 · 20/02/2015 18:04

Ok so most northerners I know have visited London more than once...

How many Londoners have visited the Peak District? Or any northern, diverse towns it cities?

TheWordFactory · 20/02/2015 18:08

fred a large number of Londoners were raised up north!

Enjoyingmycoffee1981 · 20/02/2015 18:08

Precious...are you a foreigner? The fact you are mixed race doesn't mean you are a foreigner!

shoewhore · 20/02/2015 18:11

Hmm, having lived in Liverpool, Leeds and near Sheffield as well as in London, I can tell you that all those Northern cities have their merits but they are not the same as London. London is just different and imo there is an energy and excitement about the place which is just unique (to the UK) Other places have culture sure but not on the same scale.

BUT London also comes with a whole set of downsides, especially for young families. Where I live now we have it within easy reach (dh commutes in daily, I do occasionally, enjoy taking the kids up in half term) which is brilliant. I so miss the hills though. And so do the kids. The freedom of being free range as a child is priceless.

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JugglingFromHereToThere · 20/02/2015 18:38

We moved north (a bit anyway) from London when dd was a baby and there have been many good things - good to be able to buy a family home for DC to grow up in, much less congestion, better access to countryside, also nice parks and amenities. Have met lots of lovely people, many who've also moved here from elsewhere. Basically plenty to do for anyone bringing up a family though glad that I spent most of my twenties in various interesting cities in UK and abroad, including London.
I'd say go for it especially as bigger place will actually mean you see more of your family (as they already live abroad) I think keeping in touch with family and friends is the main challenge/ consideration/ down-side for many contemplating a big move.

Enjoyingmycoffee1981 · 20/02/2015 18:40

and until I open my mouth and come out with my Estuary English who knows where I'm from.

Same applies to everyone surely

Floisme · 20/02/2015 18:52

Getting back to the op's question.... In some respects, Sheffield can't possibly offer what London can. My own personal bugbear - as someone who's into clothes and fashion - is that (apart from a small independent quarter) the shopping is a bit dire. But when it comes to family life, then unless you're on a mahoosive income, there is really no contest. If we lived in London, we would struggle to make ends meet. As it is, we live pretty comfortably.

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Darkforcesatwork · 20/02/2015 19:21

Love how the London/North argument always comes down to museums!! Fucking museums!! My kids hate them. Who cares if London has museums?!

Also how it is always London and North-what happened to the rest of the country? SW, Midlands, East Anglian etc....

And the perception that North equals rural-so you can't possibly walk to play groups, have your kids pop to friends' houses, walk to a pub or restaurant....

OP-come across the divide and join us Northerners! Life is what you make it wherever you are, so for a much bigger and better house you can't go wrong.

TheCatAteMyTaxReturn · 20/02/2015 19:22

I have lived in North London, Cambridge/Essex, South London [or 'Brighton' as it is more usually known], Birmingham [student], Sheffield [working], and Lincolnshire.

The last three were/are the best. The further north you go the better it is, I find.

Taxi drivers still hear my accent and say "Lived here [Lincolnshire] long, have you?" Expecting me to say a couple of years - thinking I'm going to say a 'couple of years/house prices/whatever'. Off and on, its the thick end of thirty years

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