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To not send my dd into school?

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Littlefluffyclouds81 · 05/02/2015 12:06

I'm having a crisis with my dd age 10 and really don't know what to do.

I have been a lone parent since she was 1, and suffered quite badly with depression when she was little. We have not had an easy time of it, I have struggled financially and emotionally and through no fault of our own (private rentals) we have moved 10 times during her lifetime. She has gone to 4 different schools, but she was at her first school for 5 years. She left her last school because she was being bullied because she has a long term medical problem with her bladder which means she leaks urine and it can smell quite bad (she wears pads to minimise this).

To add to all that, having got things fairly stable and built up a fairly successful business by the time she was 5, all that went to pot when I met somebody and accidently got pg soon afterwards, dd2 is now 4. Her father is a complete lunatic who put me through hell for 2.5 years, followed by another 2.5 years of going to court 19 times to protect dd2 (he now has zero contact).

I'm ashamed to say that whilst all this has been going on, dd1 is the one who has been sidelined. She has always been so placid and seemingly content doing her own thing, whereas dd2 was like a whirling dervish from the word go, and is very demanding of my time.

Currently we have a secure place to live (housing association) in a really nice area, and the local school have been fantastic with regards to dealing with dd1's needs. Apart from her medical problem she suffers from anxiety and finds social situations very difficult. She doesn't really have any friends at school, although the children are kind to her and the teachers regularly encourage them to ask dd1 to play, although she will generally say no and sit on the step outside the classroom reading her book. She has been at that school for around 1.5 years now.

Her teacher is fantastic and admits that she has a real soft spot for dd1. She has expressed her concerns that dd1 seems very unhappy, and depressed, and also has episodes in class where she will just shut down and it's like she can't hear anyone. Her teacher has had an educational psychologist to come in and assess dd1, and she also speaks to the school counsellor once a week, although she hates it and says it doesn't help.

Dd1 has been unwell the last few days and so off school. I went into her room and found her sitting on her bed holding her class photo of her first school and weeping. She then literally completely dissolved and was howling like a baby. I had never seen her like that, and she was telling me that she hates school and she hates everything about her life. I took her to the doctors the next day and they have referred her to camhs. She was off again yesterday but I had to take her in today as she was over her lurgy, she was crying this morning and I really didn't want to make her go.

Her teacher just phoned to say dd1 has been crying all morning, and her teacher was crying too. She isn't doing this for effect, she is genuinely really unhsppy and struggling. Her teacher has also suggested that dd1 is assessed for autism, so I passed that on to the gp.

I don't know what to do. My instincts tell me that I shouldn't be forcing her to go to school but I don't know what else to do. I know there's home educating but I am a lone parent doing a degree 5 days a week so that would mean leaving uni.

I know I have made mistakes and I feel awful about that but I want to make things right, I just don't know how to do it.

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Itsgoingtoreindeer · 05/02/2015 12:17

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molyholy · 05/02/2015 12:18

I don't know what to suggest OP, but just wanted to send you a hug xx

AmantesSuntAmentes · 05/02/2015 12:24

I would absolutely home ed. I've put everything on hold to do so with mine and the benefits to them have been incredible.

AmantesSuntAmentes · 05/02/2015 12:27

Sorry, hadn't finished! I had been going to suggest that you might find this thread interesting Smile. There is much discussion about the unhappiness of some children in school and resolutions, inclusive of the pros and cons of EHE...
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/home_ed/2294261-Once-again-thinking-of-HE-please-talk-to-me-Long-sorry?pg=1&order=

Littlefluffyclouds81 · 05/02/2015 12:28

Thanks. I promised dd1 that we would not have to move again until she finishes school and we are very lucky to live in the catchment of one of the best state secondary schools in the country. But I don't think that she will be any happier there, and she is very anxious about the change. There is a Steiner school nearby and I'm wondering if she would cope a bit better there.

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theendoftheendoftheend · 05/02/2015 12:32

I don't know if you should home ed or not, but certainly just now I'd let her stay home.

Littlefluffyclouds81 · 05/02/2015 12:34

I'm not sure how we would manage home ed. I don't think I would be the best teacher, I would have to leave my degree and we would really struggle financially.

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Littlefluffyclouds81 · 05/02/2015 12:36

Will I not get in trouble for not sending her in? It's not going to help any of us if I get lumped with a massive fine or conviction!

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fuzzpig · 05/02/2015 12:37

Oh your poor girl :(

Please, please don't beat yourself up over this. It's not your fault she has been bullied, it's not your fault dd2's dad was a horrible man. None of this is your fault and you are clearly wanting to do what's best.

It does sound like home ed would be great for her although I know it's a scary decision (hence my thread which has already been linked to) - she is old enough to take a big part in the decision making process though which might make it easier. Thanks

Littlefluffyclouds81 · 05/02/2015 12:40

She would love to be home ed. she says she would do anything if I would let her stay at home. I worry that she would become more and more isolated though, if she never spends time around people her own age. Not that she really talks to them when she does.

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fuzzpig · 05/02/2015 12:41

I'm not sure about whether you'd get in trouble for just a few more days, my DCs' schools have been understanding when there's been the odd day where they just won't go. They are on my case about getting them in though obviously.

Surely though if your DD is so distraught that she's been referred to CAMHS, and is being described as depressed, then that's a valid reason to stay off this week? If an adult can be signed off work for a mental health issue then presumably they should allow a child the same understanding, I hope? I really don't know though, legally I mean. Thanks

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Starlightbright1 · 05/02/2015 12:43

Stiener schools do open days...It might be worth taking her for a look.. but I would also ask what do you think is wrong gut feeling? It it is depression that is not reacitve doubtful where ever she is going to help. But I do think education seems to becoming one mould fits all

TooHasty · 05/02/2015 12:54

If she has been unwell that is probably why she has been so weepy and everything seems so bleak to her.I would wait until she is well again and then reassess the situation.

'we are very lucky to live in the catchment of one of the best state secondary schools in the country. But I don't think that she will be any happier there'

Hmm so how is she supposed to feel excited and keep an open mind, if you have already decided it will be all bad.I am wondering how much of her negativity about the world has been 'learned' from you?

TwoOddSocks · 05/02/2015 13:22

TooHasty: Hmm so how is she supposed to feel excited and keep an open mind, if you have already decided it will be all bad.I am wondering how much of her negativity about the world has been 'learned' from you?

I don't get the impression at all that OP's DD is just picking up on negativity from OP. It's clear from her teacher's assessment that she has social problems profound enough to require assessment for autism this is ore than a slightly pessimistic attitude.

It sounds like the OP has genuine and well founded concerns about her daughter and it's unlikely her problems are magically going to disappear when she starts secondary school so OP is right to want to be proactive and help her OP. I think it's ridiculous to accuse her of negativity because of this.

Littlefluffyclouds81 · 05/02/2015 13:31

Thank you, twooddsocks. Of course I am not stupid enough to be openly sharing my concerns about dd1 going to big school with her, I have been trying to put a positive spin on it for her.

But she doesn't cope well with change, and I have acknowledged that this is a big change for her and she must be feeling anxious about it, as I know that she is. I think empathic understanding is better than a gung ho 'you'll be fine' brushing it under the carpet kind of attitude.

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TooHasty · 05/02/2015 13:52

unfortunately children do pick up on their oarents emotions even when those parents are pretending.How about working on actually believing that secondary school will be a new and exciting chapter in your child's life?

Primaryteach87 · 05/02/2015 14:05

Hi OP,
I've been in your daughters position and am now a teacher, so I hope can see this clearly. Yes, your daughter needs education but that doesn't mean subjecting her to school when she is so clearly telling you how unhappy it makes her. FWIW I had a lovely teacher too but that doesn't always make it okay. On the other hand, you don't sound like you have the time or emotional energy to FT home educate her. My suggestion would be to write to the school and the local authority to request a meeting. Explain that your daughter is suffering from anxiety and it is a 'school refuser'. State clearly that you support the need for her to revive education and so you need the LEA to provide a home tutor for medical reasons. This is expensive so they won't want to do it, but it is a real option. The other option is to look and see if www.redballoonlearner.co.uk have a centre near you. Again they are expensive for the local authority but they provide a nurturing and caring education and help your child get back into 'normal school' when they've had appropriate help. You will need to really advocate for your DD to get her the best help. Please, please don't just send her off to school. As a family you've obviously been through a really tough time, but now is the time to put your DD first and ensure the LA do as well.

rinabean · 05/02/2015 14:15

TooHasty stop it. OP hasn't negatively thought her daughter autistic. It's insulting to the daughter too. Positive thinking can be helpful but it doesn't cure autism. If I could think myself normal I would! And I wish I'd had parents who actually considered me and my health instead of constantly hoping I'd turn normal soon and punishing me for not.

It could be worth looking into the Steiner school if you can't HE

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TooHasty · 05/02/2015 14:18

TooHasty stop it
I am sorry, who appointed you head prefect? I'll give my own opinioms as I please , thank you very much, madam.

MissDuke · 05/02/2015 14:22

Just wanting to add to the support here, please don't blame yourself. You sound like a fantastic parent.

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curlyweasel · 05/02/2015 14:25

Op - hope Primary's post will help. It would be great if you could HE, but you also have to think of the long term and your degree, which is possibly your route out of your current situation?

Please don't beat yourself up (or let others - TooHasty really?). You sound like a brilliant mum who is in tune with her daughter's needs. Keep her off school. Get her to the doctor's to ask for a note if necessary. It sounds like your DD1 needs a bit of your time.

xx

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