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To not send my dd into school?

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Littlefluffyclouds81 · 05/02/2015 12:06

I'm having a crisis with my dd age 10 and really don't know what to do.

I have been a lone parent since she was 1, and suffered quite badly with depression when she was little. We have not had an easy time of it, I have struggled financially and emotionally and through no fault of our own (private rentals) we have moved 10 times during her lifetime. She has gone to 4 different schools, but she was at her first school for 5 years. She left her last school because she was being bullied because she has a long term medical problem with her bladder which means she leaks urine and it can smell quite bad (she wears pads to minimise this).

To add to all that, having got things fairly stable and built up a fairly successful business by the time she was 5, all that went to pot when I met somebody and accidently got pg soon afterwards, dd2 is now 4. Her father is a complete lunatic who put me through hell for 2.5 years, followed by another 2.5 years of going to court 19 times to protect dd2 (he now has zero contact).

I'm ashamed to say that whilst all this has been going on, dd1 is the one who has been sidelined. She has always been so placid and seemingly content doing her own thing, whereas dd2 was like a whirling dervish from the word go, and is very demanding of my time.

Currently we have a secure place to live (housing association) in a really nice area, and the local school have been fantastic with regards to dealing with dd1's needs. Apart from her medical problem she suffers from anxiety and finds social situations very difficult. She doesn't really have any friends at school, although the children are kind to her and the teachers regularly encourage them to ask dd1 to play, although she will generally say no and sit on the step outside the classroom reading her book. She has been at that school for around 1.5 years now.

Her teacher is fantastic and admits that she has a real soft spot for dd1. She has expressed her concerns that dd1 seems very unhappy, and depressed, and also has episodes in class where she will just shut down and it's like she can't hear anyone. Her teacher has had an educational psychologist to come in and assess dd1, and she also speaks to the school counsellor once a week, although she hates it and says it doesn't help.

Dd1 has been unwell the last few days and so off school. I went into her room and found her sitting on her bed holding her class photo of her first school and weeping. She then literally completely dissolved and was howling like a baby. I had never seen her like that, and she was telling me that she hates school and she hates everything about her life. I took her to the doctors the next day and they have referred her to camhs. She was off again yesterday but I had to take her in today as she was over her lurgy, she was crying this morning and I really didn't want to make her go.

Her teacher just phoned to say dd1 has been crying all morning, and her teacher was crying too. She isn't doing this for effect, she is genuinely really unhsppy and struggling. Her teacher has also suggested that dd1 is assessed for autism, so I passed that on to the gp.

I don't know what to do. My instincts tell me that I shouldn't be forcing her to go to school but I don't know what else to do. I know there's home educating but I am a lone parent doing a degree 5 days a week so that would mean leaving uni.

I know I have made mistakes and I feel awful about that but I want to make things right, I just don't know how to do it.

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curlyweasel · 05/02/2015 14:30

You're a sweatheart aren't you TooHasty?

Reported.

TooHasty · 05/02/2015 14:33

what have you reported.The suggestion that a kid who smells of pee might be expected to have low social confidence?

curlyweasel · 05/02/2015 14:35

Meh. Happy for mnhq to decide.

Altinkum · 05/02/2015 14:43

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Faberdashery · 05/02/2015 14:45

Hi OP. I'm going through similar problems with my DS. We did HE for 3 years but he went back for year 6. He's now in year 8 and desperate to HE again. I don't know what we are going to do either.

hugs

Thanks Primary, I found your post really useful.

Faberdashery · 05/02/2015 14:48

Sorry, that wasn't supposed to be a link.

I've also reported Toohastys posts.

TooHasty · 05/02/2015 14:51

Ah another person who thinks that smelling bad helps a child socially!!

Itsgoingtoreindeer · 05/02/2015 14:53

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Faberdashery · 05/02/2015 14:53

Don't be bloody stupid!

MrsTShelby · 05/02/2015 14:54

I think primary's post is very helpful ... I agree that you will have to summon up some fight to try and get the LEA to fund those suggestions. However, after what you have been through you are able and strong enough to do this.

Realistically it doesn't sound like home ed will work for you long term.

I don't think I have anything helpful to say but please don't put yourself down about things that have happened in the past. Those things are done now and you are obviously a fantastic parent with your child's best interests at heart.

Toohasty if you aren't meaning to be incredibly crass and insensitive then you are clearly unable to express yourself in a normal fashion. There is no doubt that your posts are offensive.

curlyweasel · 05/02/2015 14:57

Yes. Because that's what I said.

Of course she is going to have social anxiety if she stinks!!!!

Which particular bit of that was helpful?

TooHasty · 05/02/2015 15:00

so someone has made the leap that she is autistic based on one person's suggestion for a test.
I am sorry if I did not word the 'smell' post delicately enough, but my point still remains.To have to leave a school because you have been bullied for smelling must take an enormous toll on the confidence of an 8/9 yo.I just can't understand why proper arrangements weren't put in place to prevent this.Probably now the girl is afraid to be near the other DCs incase she smells and that is why she won't join in with their games.

Itsgoingtoreindeer · 05/02/2015 15:01

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Littlefluffyclouds81 · 05/02/2015 15:01

Thanks so much for your support everyone (apart from TooHasty - words fail me there).

That's some really excellent advice Primary, I will definitely look into those options.

I feel completely overwhelmed and out of my depth here, and on top of that I have got dd1's lurgy so I just generally feel crap too.

I was not fond of school either and at 13 I was at a school I hated. My dad used to put me under his arm every morning whilst I was crying and grabbing at door posts as they passed, and would bundle me into the car. This went on for quite a while before they finally changed my school and I have never forgiven him for that. I don't want to be like that.

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TooHasty · 05/02/2015 15:03

*Of course she is going to have social anxiety if she stinks!!!!

Do you not think it is a fair point curly?

curlyweasel · 05/02/2015 15:04

I just can't understand why lots of things don't happen but it doesn't entitle me to be a prick on the internet.

Littlefluffyclouds81 · 05/02/2015 15:07

TooHasty since you are clearly not going to do the decent thing and just jog the fuck on, I will explain more about my daughter's condition.

She has been under the care of the consultant for 5 years. They have run out of answers and have no explanations for her problem. She uses pads, which she does change regularly, but because of the infections her wee smells strongly of fish. Even when changed regularly, and although the pads really help, there is no way to completely eliminate this if she is having a particularly bad day.

HTH.

Now fuck off.

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itsstillgood · 05/02/2015 15:09

I'm a home educator (have one in school one out - so not anti-school at all just think different children different needs) and have been for about 9 years. I have heard similar stories many times unfortunately. Where yours differs slightly from many is that the school sound supportive.

I would buy yourself some time, get your daughter signed off ill from the doctor. Talk, talk and talk some more, to your daughter, to the school (they may offer work at home or a flexischool arrangement, GP, Cahms. Let people help where they can.

Home ed is an option and is doable alongside a degree, I've studied and worked alongside home eding both and now one of my children. I do have a partner but no other family support. Research it both nationally and locally and you may be surprised. I love home ed, we take quite a structured approach compared to many but we still have a lovely, relaxed, laidback lifestyle. And my youngest son who struggles with large groups, noise and unpredictability thrives academically and socially.

Is it the right option for you, I can't possibly say. As long as the school are supportive and keen to work with you I would pursue that and see if you can find a way to work together to help your daughter

curlyweasel · 05/02/2015 15:11

TooHasty I had social anxiety at school because I smelled. Of course, something should have been done about it.

However, this is blatantly not the case in the OP's DD's situation and therefore you have jumped to all sorts of conclusions. I think an apology might be in order, don't you?

How did you choose your username I wonder?

Altinkum · 05/02/2015 15:12

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Primaryteach87 · 05/02/2015 15:19

I'm glad my thoughts were helpful. Please ignore Hasty. She quite clearly has forgotten there is a very real child and a very real mummy on the receiving line of her comments.
On the topic of what to do now, the advice to go to the GP is good and will ensure some over-zealous Education Welfare Officer doesn't turn up at you (who can be great or terrible IME). Home education-wise, I'm really pro generally, but it sounds like you and your DD need lots of TLC and support. Unfortunately once you start HE-ing that often spells the end of them bothering to help. In theory it shouldn't make a difference to potential investigations of ASD or CAMH as that is NHS but it would mean no educational psychologist and you'd be off grid. I think, if anything, you might want more specialist provision will people who can draw DD out of herself, make her feel safe, cherished, capable and ready to learn, face the world and feel happy. You, mummy, probably need that too. HE is probably best if you can't get better specialist support but really it lets the LEA off the hook in providing education that meets your DDs needs. Please PM if you want any further advice because I have some experience with appeals panels etc and can hopefully cheer you on.

AmantesSuntAmentes · 05/02/2015 15:23

I wish there was a safe way to arrange a pen friend pairing for lonlier children. I have one who can be socially awkward but loves to write and there seem to be so many dc on mn, who could do with a friend.

TooHasty, you were indeed.

Littlefluffyclouds81 · 05/02/2015 15:25

Thanks again primary. What shall I say if I go back to the GP? I've already been twice this week about her, once to get the referral to CAMHS and once to add the teacher's thoughts about autism. Do you mean to get her some kind of doctors note so she can stay off school for now?

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Littlefluffyclouds81 · 05/02/2015 15:27

Amantes I competely agree. Whilst dd1 was having her breakdown the other night she said 4 times whilst in floods of tears 'I just want a friend who I can tell anything to'. It breaks my heart.

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curlyweasel · 05/02/2015 15:30

My DD has said their should be a kidsnet to share problems etc (but that just might be because she's jealous I have this!).