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Is this a reasonable request?

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ColaCubed · 03/02/2015 11:37

I'm in a newish relationship (less than a year). We both have DCs from previous relationships. We've all met one another and things are gong well so far.

However, DP's ex has made some demands requests along the way such as insisting she meets me before I met their DCs etc. So far I've tried be understanding and have gone along with this. For the most part I stay out of their parenting relationship and do not offer my opinion unless DP specifically asks for it. I am always honest, even where I actually agree with his ex's stance. I try to see things from her perspective as I understand it must be difficult for her to see her DC's form a relationship with someone who is a stranger to her. My ex has not yet moved on but we have a much less involved parenting relationship than they do and so I don't tend to 'interfere' (for want of a better word) in his time with our children. I think hope this will remain the same when he chooses to introduce our DCs to any future partner.

Anyway, his ex has recently said she would like to collect/drop off their DCs at my house the next time they come over (DP doesn't live with me yet but stays over a lot) and I don't know how to feel about it. Apparently she says its because she wants to know where her DCs are when they're away from her (although they've stayed over many times already). Again, I'm trying to be understanding about it but if I'm honest, it's starting to feel a little intrusive and like I'm being 'checked up on' and evaluated. I'm also a little concerned about where these requests will stop. I'm obviously hopeful that we will all remain amicable for the DC's sake and so I don't want to say no to anything that is reasonable. This is the first time I've dated anyone with DCs so this is all unchartered territory for me and so I'm unsure of what is reasonable but I'm keen to do the right thing by everybody. I guess it just feels a little strange that I'm having to accommodate a quasi relationship with his ex when I've only met her briefly and this is all being done through DP. Incidentally, I'd be happy to get to know her better but it's still early days in my mind and I just assumed this would be something that developed naturally over time rather than being 'forced'. Any thoughts or advice?

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Moominmarvellous · 03/02/2015 13:54

I think YABU really.

In the ex's position, and based on what you've said, I'd probably be thinking 'ok this seems to be getting more serious, the kids are actually spending more time there than I'd first thought. I should probably check it out.'

I would not take any chances with my kids. You could have, I don't know.....a big dog or live near a busy road for example - not saying these things are deal breakers at all, but I'd want to know these things so I can remind them to take more care/not run off or to remind them to ask before petting the dog etc.

I'm their Mum. It's my job to do what I can to keep them safe no matter who's care they're in.

NamesNick · 03/02/2015 13:56

hang on. you wouldn't let your dh take your children somewhere without your say so?

presumably this is your husband who lives at home with you?

what would happen if he just decided one day to take them on a trip to the sea life centre while you were at work...would you expect him to ask permission?

NamesNick · 03/02/2015 13:57

surely that's dads job too moomin?

SlicedAndDiced · 03/02/2015 13:58

Moominmarvellous But that is their Dad's job surely? Not yours when they are not in your care.

I can understand. I really can, it is difficult to let go. But the parent who is in custody of the child at the time is the one calling the shots.

Otherwise what is the point of custody? It's your child's other parent, not a babysitting service you have to vet.

SlicedAndDiced · 03/02/2015 13:59

Oh snap NamesNick Grin

MessyHair9 · 03/02/2015 14:01

madness, i wouldn't drive my kids over to my x's gf's house. He can see her, or he can see the children. No need to go all brady bunch for his convenience sake at children's expense.

it's a modern nonsense!!

WipsGlitter · 03/02/2015 14:02

As long as it is a doorstep handover and she's not having a good nosey round your house it should be ok.

NamesNick · 03/02/2015 14:06

surely he can do both messyhair?

but just collect his dc from mums house as normal and spend time with his kids as he, the father, sees fit.

I agree (and laughed) with the Brady bunch comment. Grin

NamesNick · 03/02/2015 14:06

surely he can do both messyhair?

but just collect his dc from mums house as normal and spend time with his kids as he, the father, sees fit.

I agree (and laughed) with the Brady bunch comment. Grin

NamesNick · 03/02/2015 14:08

ooh twiceGrin

im getting too involved in this one. gotta go back to work.

op. let us know how you get on

Goldmandra · 03/02/2015 14:12

He can see her, or he can see the children.

Who has the right to force him to make that choice?

A year into the relationship is seems perfectly reasonable for them to all be together as long as he, as their capable parent, feels it is appropriate.

ColaCubed · 03/02/2015 14:16

Thanks for all the responses everyone - it's all giving me food for thought. Please excuse the resulting random stream of consciousness... Grin.

How do I feel about this? Confused, is the answer. I want to do the right thing but I want to achieve a balance too. I'm trying to give her the benefit of doubt and assume that she is just being cautious but I can't help feeling that it is more than that due to her demonstrating other controlling behaviour.

When we first met, she was swapping and changing their access arrangements frequently, usually so she could go out. DP almost never said no to her, even if it meant having to change our plans. Initially I thought it was just a period of adjustment for everyone and again tried to be accommodating, understanding and reasonable about it. In the end, when DP brought up the subject of our future and us eventually having children together, I said I worried about how the swapping and changing (and moreover his attitude towards her demands, ie. Bending over backwards) would impact on us having a child together. He then became more assertive which I believe she didn't like at first. In the interests of balance though, she has at other times been accommodating of his requests (with the proviso that it will change back if she's not happy with any new arrangements).

To my knowledge she is not in a relationship currently but is dating and I've encouraged DP to be a little flexible over having their DCs for now as I appreciate it can be difficult to date as a single parent. Despite not fully trusting her motives, as far as I know she's not been unpleasant about me and was friendly on the occasion we met. Apparently she did check me out on social media when we first started our relationship and passed comment that I was very petty and seemed nice - I was a little uncomfortable with her passing comments like this even though they were nice comments - I just don't like being judged based on a couple of photos. Again I tried to be understanding about her wanting to check me out, even though this was way before any mention of meeting the DCs.

I know in the past she got cross because he took their DCs on a day trip with his last partner and he hadn't informed her. She has also told him he's not to take the DC to certain places. There are no safety concerns etc.

DP's attitude - this is where I get a bit stuck. I feel for him having to please two women at once but equally I feel like he is too passive and lets her control the situation too much. I do often feel he puts her opinion first, even subconsciously. He is often very understanding of her stance and will say things like 'it's only natural that she wants to check you out on facebook'. He won't entertain the possibility that she's doing it for any ulterior motive. Fair enough, he knows her better than I do although I know how the female mind works better than he does Wink. She has never withheld access as far as I know so I'm unsure of the reason for his behaviour. I have put it to him that he still has feelings for her which he strenuously denies. I do feel like he should be handling this better however.

I'm sure he does find it difficult to know what to do for the best. He does consult me but I often feel this is an exercise in gaining my approval for him wanting to please her. I usually do because I want him to be happy and I also want to do what is best by everyone. He has made a couple of comments that made me uncomfortable though - I once said I wasn't in the mood to go into her house and he said something like 'is it because you've no makeup on?'. I pulled him up on that because he was implying there is competition between me and his ex when that's not how I feel at all.

So, I'm still not sure how to handle this for the best or even if I should be doing anything at all. I don't want to put DP in a more difficult situation and I also don't want her to have reason to mistrust me, I want her to feel as ok as possible about this but equally don't want her to think she can intrude into our relationship.

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ColaCubed · 03/02/2015 14:24

Forgot to add that I don't want to be an interfering force in their parenting relationship. I don't want to cause arguments between them so I often just go along with what DP wants even if I feel uncomfortable with it. This is where I feel conflicted and pressured to put my own needs and wants last.

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Goldmandra · 03/02/2015 14:48

This is why I suggested you invite her round on your own terms. Then the meeting becomes an arrangement between the two of you and not an exercise in her controlling him and the children.

Invite her in for a coffee or to meet outside your house and then go on somewhere if that make you feel more comfortable. Give her a chance to get to know you a little and you can get to know her and a bit more about the children. Avoid the subject of your DP like the plague.

MsAdorabelleDearheartVonLipwig · 03/02/2015 14:53

Yes as long as she's got the address, that's fine, I wouldn't have a problem with that. I would be denying permission if I didn't know where they were going and I can't believe I'd be the only one.

Goldmandra · 03/02/2015 14:59

I would be denying permission if I didn't know where they were going and I can't believe I'd be the only one.

He wouldn't need to ask your permission in the first place.

MrsJohnLewis · 03/02/2015 15:45

She's being out of order IMO.

And this isn't about you really, it's about the fact that she should let your DP parent his kids when they're with him.

If he wanted to take them on holiday would she insist on seeing the hotel beforehand?

She needs to stop trying to control what happens during his time with the DCs.

Tbh I think she's just using her 'concern for the DCs' as an excuse to be nosy.

MrsJohnLewis · 03/02/2015 15:52

And also if it makes you uncomfortable don't be afraid to draw your own boundaries.

This is a weird stage in a newish relationship where you are caught up in the dynamics between him and her while you're still trying to establish your own dynamic between you and him.

At some point, what's happenjng between you and him is going to have to become more important than what's happening between him and her.

MsAdorabelleDearheartVonLipwig · 03/02/2015 16:07

If I was the main carer for the children then yes he would be asking permission before he took them to an unknown location. Law or not. Hmm

MrsJohnLewis · 03/02/2015 16:10

Really MsAdorabelle??

If you're in a relationship with your partner presumably you're happy for him to spend time with your DCs without your sanction?

OP's DP is as much of a parent as the ex is. He's not her staff. He's not answerable to her. Nor she him.

NamesNick · 03/02/2015 16:17

my goodness msadore, that sounds so controlling. surely when you decide to have children with someone there is mutual trust and understanding?

would you ask permission from him to take them somewhere they have never been before?

why can't parents be parents in their own right and make decisions for their dc based on their own judgement.

I'd hate my ex to think he had to answer to me. who am I to judge him when I have no good reason to doubt his parenting skills.

unless of course you do have good reason to doubt your childrens father...

Goldmandra · 03/02/2015 16:17

If I was the main carer for the children then yes he would be asking permission before he took them to an unknown location. Law or not.

You might like to think this would happen but, in reality, if you had separated, it would be very unlikely to be the case because your parental rights are equal, whoever is the primary carer.

Of course, if you could show a court that your ex wasn't capable of keeping the children safe you might get your wish.

OllyBJolly · 03/02/2015 16:42

Interesting dilemma.

I wouldn't necessarily have an issue with an ex coming to the house (although would probably put a bit of extra effort into tidying up!)

I would have an issue with an co-parent not trusting me to take care of my own children and want to vet and veto my living arrangements. I've never been to my exH's houses, and nor would I want/expect to. I am totally against some of the things he did but I have to respect that he is the DDs' parent as much as I am. When they were younger I might like an idea of what they might get up to for the weekend i.e. would I have to pack swimming cossies but beyond that, it's not my concern.

I'm possibly one of the most strident defenders of the XW on these boards, but in this case, she is BU.

OllyBJolly · 03/02/2015 16:44

I only have one ex-H - he has had several houses!

trevortrevorslattery · 03/02/2015 16:45

I would be denying permission if I didn't know where they were going and I can't believe I'd be the only one.

He wouldn't need to ask your permission in the first place.

This sums up what seems kind of weird about this. OK she would reasonably want to know where the DC are (ie have your address).

But having her come round to check out your house(? street? area?) implies that if it's not to her satisfaction, then some kind of consequence will result.

This would be making me nervous, especially with what you've said about your DP sometimes worrying about pleasing his ex.

In practical terms I don't think you can reasonably say no but I would definitely be having a word with DP to make it clear that XW's opinion on what she thinks of your location (? house? whatever?) will not have any bearing on anything. I would hope he would agree!