To hate the idea of the new smoking bribe?

[CharleyFarleyy]

What do people who dont smoke anyway get? seems like they are going to miss out un-fairly.

Also if quitting for your and your babys health isnt incentive enough will shopping vouchers help anyway?

acat you make sweeping statements about what everyone should know. It's not always so black and white. Debating with you tires me. I'm out. x

wish, the other group had the support and information too - fewer of them quit than the group offered vouchers as well. They needed the incentive/bribe/reward to motivate them. The fact that it was better for their baby wasn't enough.

So you view this as a breach of that autonomy?

How much do we have to bribe pregnant women though? It's pathetic. It's patronising. It's saying that women need to have financial motivation to want to protect the health of their child. And the saddest thing is theirs fuckwits out there who will quit because of the money - not their babies.

Rewards for breastfeeding (as was debated, not sure if brought in), rewards for not smoking... what next?

They show fuck all! thats my whole point!

And anyone that dosent think the same as me in that instance (when the risk of still birth is not worth quitting for but vouchers is) should have baby taken away IMO.

I don't see how it could be SteamingNit, they still have the choice about whether or not to quit.

theoriginal what are you talking about? I said we can't do anything about the mothers, we can't force them to do anything because they have autonomy (as they should). Nowhere did I say this is breech of autonomy.

Or maybe they learned more (because they knew less) than the other group and therefore decided to quit?

I'm sure education/awareness would have been controlled for.

It is very clear that the people on this thread against this scheme have very little understanding of the brain processes involved in addiction.
Nicotine offers those pathways a tangible immeadiate reward.
The idea of the scheme is to offer another tangible immeadiate reward. The same pathways that are rewarded by the nicotine will be rewarded by the vouchers, albeit it in a different way.
Smoking in pregnancy is far more harmful to a child and will have far greater impact long term, than exposure post natally. Also once a child has been born, the impact that your smoking is having on them will be there in front of you, for you to see and hear.

Arabella. I know how addiction works, as I'm sure people on here do - thanks for that little patronising titbit. Not only having studied it in my modules, but having addictions myself. Understanding how and why doesn't mean we have to agree with bribery. We are not mice being trained for rewards, relying on said rewards to guide us in what to do. We are human beings with the power of education, reasoning and morals. And we should be expected to use them.

My baby will be heading to scbu in a few weeks when she's born and will be costing the nhs a fucking fortune. I'm an emotional minefield at the moment but if I knew the baby next to mine was in scbu solely because the mum smoked throughout pregnancy then I'd find it massively difficult, given that I've been the supposed gold standard of pregnant and still fucked it up.

I think most mums who smoke would give up when pregnant, those who can't, and that is can't, not won't, would need a lot more than a voucher. I'd imagine the stats are skewed to look like this works when really those mums would have quit either way.

Many other people quit without a reward?

But more did so with the reward, which was kind of the point I think.

There's a lot of things people would do if they had a financial incentive.

wish, what are you disagreeing with me about? I said they couldn't do it without the reward and you seem to agree that more did it with the reward which proves my point - there were women who couldn't do it without the vouchers.

What would be a better incentive (other than the obvious i.e. the actual wellbeing of the child)? Not being snarky - genuinely interested.

Just because more did doesn't make it right!

Are we saying that a baby's health is worth £400 in argos vouchers!

Are you asking me? I'm in the "why isn't your baby's health enough incentive for you" camp.

I don't think there should be any incentive other than the health of their baby. That might seem harsh, and I understand completely why they're doing this because the statistics show it's worked, but I'm not comfortable with bribing or 'rewarding' people for doing the thing they should be doing anyway.

What next can we bribe mothers to do? We've had breastfeeding and quitting smoking, how about eating healthy diets, or avoiding sheep?

bumbley - I was asking wish

Im sure we could bribe thieves not to steal if we gave them enough, might even work out cost effective in the end.

Oh Sn00p4d, sorry to hear that. It sounds absolutely awful to have to go through that. Sending good vibes your way

Sorry to hear about your baby Sn00p. Hope it all works out ok

Charley - sorry my 'were you asking me' was directed at wish too! :) This thread is moving faster than my typing.

I don't care anymore, to be honest as a full time working mother I'm used to being screwed over by the goverment, no maternity grant, no healthy start or formula vouchers, a measly CB, no free child care, shit amount of tax credits, just add something else to the list I can't have whilst I top up the tax pot....amazing