To ask your thoughts on Jon Venables joining a dating site?

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With his new name no one can do a google search on him and find his history.

He was found not long ago with images of child abuse.

Should he be able to get on with his life now he is out of prison? Of course he can just as easily meet someone in the pub.

I just had a debate with a family member about this so interested in your thoughts.

Link here

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/james-bulger-killer-jon-venables-5039227

He's rather high maintenence and expensive!.........absolutely, only in Britain would someone who commited one of the most heinous crimes of the century be so cosseted and looked after. Makes you despair.

No I'm disgusted at a government that puts two murderers rights above anyone else's. I'm sick of the bleeding hearts who excuse any sort of evil crime because of "terrible childhoods" etc. what they did was truly evil, loads of people have terrible childhoods, it's no excuse. Sometimes we have to accept that some people are truly evil, what they did that day to James proves it.

I see excuses being made for these individuals etc etc, but I think people have lost sight of the matter tbh.

Btw I know at the age of 10 they were only little boys. What I objected to was the context it was said in, as in "they were only little boys, they can't really be responsible for their actions". The words "just 2 little boys" sounds like they should somehow be excused.

The horrific crime committed on that child has hardly been given any recognition on here that it deserves, I am referring to the people who support these two individuals, they have fleeting references to it, on the road to proving their point supporting, it, but I don't feel that they have really step back and put themselves in that little boys shoes or his parents.

Sorry I meant on the road to proving their point supporting these individuals

I haven't seen any posts 'supporting these individuals', Aeroflot. Can you point one out?

I would far from describe myself as a "bleeding heart", what they did to James Bulger was indeed terrible. Lots of people DO have abusive childhoods and don't do this BUT....these two boys were still IN that abusive childhood, not fully grown or developed, not even started puberty. A few months earlier and there would have been no trial.

That doesn't stop me feeling utter revulsion and disgust for their crime though.

I stand by what I say, would you walk away from YOUR child if he/she did something so horrific at the age those two boys were? Or do you think you'd want to try ANYTHING which might offer rehabilitation and the hope of a normal life in future. Would you honestly throw the key away at age 10?

If as a society we say we would then I despair for all the children aged 10+ out there living with daily abuse. I also fear for those younger who might become victim of that as a result.

We will never know how the poor parents of this little boy felt, or indeed little James on his last hours, but I can only imagine the heartbreak and pain felt by the parents, I have a little boy who is nearly 3, the same age as James, and I cannot imagine him, going through the torture that James went through. Apparently he was crying for his mum, that alone breaks my heart.

Oh Aeroflot - the old 'support' line - I don't think anyone supports either of them - they just don't witch hunt either

I am from Liverpool and was an adult when this case happened - I am well aware of the facts thanks

Not excuses

Maybe possible reasons why both as young boys carried out such a terrible violent crime

I think it's an insult to be honest, to people who really have been abused to equate JVs childhood to abuse. The incident of neglect was where the mother walked out for 10 minutes out of anger and left the children alone which a neighbour reported.

I have to say I think most children will have at least one episode of their mother losing their rag in a similar way without any lasting damage.

It is just excuse making and a bleeding heart. I mean really, that's the scenario you want so you're just making up the evidence to fit around it.

Yes those making excuses for them, yes their upbrining can give a reason for why they committed that crime, but it does not excuse it.

Nor have I witch hunted, I just agree that the sentences were too short for the crime, they should have got much longer.

He should be locked up until the day he dies.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2845296/

www.brightonandhovelscb.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Learning-from-SCR-re-Fathers-and-Male-Figures.pdf

www.mercatornet.com/family_edge/view/behind_mothers_who_abuse_an_absence_of_marriage/

www.nbcnews.com/id/21838575/ns/health-childrens_health/t/children-higher-risk-nontraditional-homes/

books.google.co.uk/books?id=5QKLjhu8MXAC&pg=PA220&lpg=PA220&dq=dangerous+to+bring+an+unrelated+male+into+the+home&source=bl&ots=q2jtVSX03H&sig=qX8s6_XaP8Rjtt0ZhcJv1x1wWGI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=xH3GVJKnEYbzatSXgIgH&ved=0CBwQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=dangerous%20to%20bring%20an%20unrelated%20male%20into%20the%20home&f=false

Of course, none of these are stating that every time an unrelated male is brought into the home child abuse will occur - but as a trend, children are at more risk in these households.

Apologies for the delay; I was at work.

But does it even give JV a reason? With Thompson I can understand it. He was brutally beaten by his older brothers and his mother was beaten by his father. Throughout his childhood he was given the message that hurting those who are smaller than you and defenceless is okay, that it was fun to do and it was good to have power over other people. Very little had been done to protect him when people were hurting him so he probably didn't know it was wrong and he probably didn't think people cared very much if you hurt others.

But with Venables that argument simply isn't there. He wasn't a victim of violence, there appears to be very little that would made him think behaving like that was normal or acceptable. Everything that has happened in the intervening years has made it seem very likely that Thompson committed the crime because he was abused himself and didn't know it was wrong, but Venables did it because he is a sadistic paedophile.

I've just come across an interesting article here:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/the-bulger-murder-mother-cannot-believe-that-devious-child-killed-ann-thompson-tells-the-press-association-how-she-intends-step-by-step-to-get-to-the-truth-1506475.html

It seems that Ann Thompson doesn't believe her son killed Bulger. It's interesting because at the time of the case Venables seems to have been very adept as focusing the blame for the murder very much on Thompson and it appears that he convinced most of the adults around the case that that Thompson was the prime mover. It's interesting because of course we now know that Thompson appears to have been effectively rehabilitated and is living a normal life but Venables reoffends. It does make me wonder how much truth there was in what Ann Thompson has to say and if Robert was a lot less involved that we realize.

I have to say that a lot of people on here are displaying the same kind of bleeding heart tendencies which Venables appears to have been adept at exploiting. I wonder how, knowing what we do now, people can still advocate this sort of approach when it's clearly not worked and he's clearly been able to take advantage of it.

I actually cry if I ever see a picture of James, just thinking about his poor mother having to struggle through life(because she'll never be happy again) makes me cry too. I do not give a flying fig about Thomson or Venables, or the reasons why they might have committed the crime. The UK is full of people walking the streets who have no right to, who have committed the most terrible of crimes but the bleeding hearts say they can, and that their human rights should take precedence over law abiding citizens. People should be able to walk the streets safely but can't because of bleeding heart do gooders. I pity the poor girl that might decide to date Jon Venables. Where are her rights. Probably nowhere near as many as Venables.

If the report is true, how on earth was Venables identified on the site? And how is the paper allowed to print potentially identifying details? Just curious...

I agree Pine, though others will not, but yes you will always get people with different opinions. I read Denise Autobiography, it was awful, what the family had to go through, and step by step their feelings and emotions of loosing James, to him being found, and the condition of his body. It is harrowing.

I imagine that as the mother of a nearly 3 year old boy, and yes it makes me cry. I don't think about it often, but occassionally.

No it wasen't Denise Autobiography, it was Ralph Bulger's