AIBU to think that UKIP don't just hate women, gays, and immigrants but also children?

[ReallyAngryBeavers]

We've had another pile of shit bit of post from UKIP today.

Firstly I am an immigrant I am here by virtue of my EU passport. Should the UK choose to leave the European Union my children would have right to stay but I wouldn't. So I admit I am biased.

There brochure says that grandparents will be given visitation rights. Being that most abuses cases will never go to court and there won't be a "track record" of abuse...shouldn't we leave it to parents to decide who the fuck we give our children to?

They want to cap benefits at 2 children. So people who lose their jobs at 4 kids can just let the last two starve right?

The brochure also promises starting out with 50/50 shared custody. Right, that's great if the majority of families were already practicing 50/50 parenting but as any regular reader of the relationships board can tell you.. There are a lot of absentee dads who are not doing the job while married to their wives. The time is not after the marriage has dissolved to let them play at being a parent so they don't have to pay child support and a woman who has potentially already given up their wage to be a sahp can just be totally fucked over while dad still has all the earning potential.

They want to repeal the Human Rights Act and withdraw from the European court of Human Rights.

They state "business should be able to discriminate in favour of young British workers".

They want to alter the smoking ban, because he why not give everyone working in the pubs cancer while we're ruining the country.

They want to repeal the climate change act. In fact next to immigration they've got loads of legislation to destroy the environment for future generations in the works. Whohoo.

From your post OP I don't see how they hate anyone. Most of what you've posted makes bloody good sense to me, especially capping child benefit, prioritising British workers, leaving the EU and repealing the climate change act. With policies like these they will make some real headway in this election.

Conversation about manifesto pledges would be considerably easier if people stuck to the FACTS. There are plenty of reasons not to vote UKIPQ anyway without making up shit, or bypassing sensible ideas just because UKIP said so.

OP...

They would cap child benefit at 2 children. Children would not starve because they would still get their share of tax credits. You have clearly taken it as all benefits. Read it again.

They want to withdraw from the Human Rights Act and REPLACE it with a British Bill of Rights.

The default assumption would be 50:50 childcare and grandparents having the right to see their grandparents. This could obviously be challenged depending on individual circumstances. Given that it is known that a healthy relationship with a wider family is good for children, AND children come with two parents I don't see the fuss about this one.

Regarding smoking...they want pubs and clubs to have the option to have separate, sealed smoking rooms...so no, "giving everyone cancer" doesn't really fit with that, does it?

There is some scientific evidence that our current climate change legislation needs a rethink. They are not the only people thinking that.

Why have you highlighted the word discriminate as if it's a swear word? They are simply saying that young, British born people should go to the top of the CV list when there's a vacancy. Plenty to discuss regarding this view without childishly highlighting a single word for effect.

I won't be voting UKIP. I shouldn't really have to say that since it's no one else's business...but thanks to the MN meme that says "UKIP = racist bigot" I feel I need to.

It's just exceedingly tiresome to have to get people to stick to the fucking facts before they go waltzing off on their ill informed tirades.

Jesus, so because I'm on benefits, they suggest taking away my driving license, making me get the bus that shows up every hour, meaning it'll be harder for me to find work (I live in a small village) and get my DD to school in the next village.

That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

I despise UKIP but I'd be totally comfortable with capping benefits at 2 children. When you decide on your family size you run through some 'what if' scenarios and if you don't have the savings/insurance/housing for a third you either don't have them or decide to take a chance and have them anyway and deal with what life throws your way.

Who is "they" Tali?

UKIP have said this is not one of their policies and will not be in the manifesto.

But I agree it is spectacularly dumb. As is the suggestion, from the same person, that cyclists should be allowed on pavements again.

Even if every one of UKIP's official policies were sensible (they aren't, but some are) I still wouldn't vote for them because the standard of many, many of their representatives is so low.

Why have you highlighted the word discriminate as if it's a swear word? They are simply saying that young, British born people should go to the top of the CV list when there's a vacancy. Plenty to discuss regarding this view without childishly highlighting a single word for effect.

possibly because discrimination is really bad. you seem to be suggesting this is some kind of innocuous policy. this would be incredibly damaging. Incredibly. it's not something that should be taken lightly. they are not simply stating anything. They are proposing a hugely divisive policy.

Incredibly damaging to prioritise young British people for jobs over young immigrants?

There's a discussion to be had about the merits (or lack of them) of it, I think, without resorting to blanket "it's incredibly damaging" statements like that.

But where UKIP is concerned, that's all people do. And they think they've got the moral authority to do so because it's UKIP we're talking about.

Just like the OP did, and now you have done.

And there are instances where discrimination can be justified, or even called for - so highlighting just the word, and not the issue it relates to is not particularly helpful.

so if you get pregnant and its triplets you could auction one on eBay

Oh and it's fine to 'put British people first' as long as it fine for everyone else to do the same throughput Europe and we are prepared to have two million Brits come back

Incredibly damaging to prioritise young British people for jobs over young immigrants?

Yes. it is. incredibly damaging. You will start a two tier labour market then. Immigrants already make less than Brits. That will drop their wages since they become less competitive. It's possibly the most idiotic and populist policy I have ever heard.

Oh wait. I quoted your "British Born", but I sort of don't think even UKIP is idiotic enough to insert that there, so I hope you have misquoted. But if it isn't a misquote, that's more idiotic. So, a child who arrived here at the age of 1 is forever treated like second class citizen? Are you claiming that's not completely idiotic and damaging?

If this is the stuff some brits are coming up with, perhaps we should not have control over our human rights legislation.

Well pointed out ghosty.

I'm glad someone is finally standing up for the rights of wealthy, white men.

There's a distinction to be made be europeans from abroad who can apply for jobs and young immigrants (european or not) who are already resident in Britain. If they are suggesting the latter group should have their hands tied, then that's terrible. Of course, the only way to deal with the former group is pull out of the EU.

And who does Labour like, cos it aint kids either....worst records of child poverty under, 13, 14 years of labour disaster?

The people killed under the bombs sent out by a labour gov to iraq? men, women and ....children?

God this thread is depressing, the number of people defending their policies. Women voting for UKIP = turkies voting for Christmas. The whole thing is a misogynistic, socially divisive ego trip for Farage. It would be funny if it wasn't so scary.

Given that it is known that a healthy relationship with a wider family is good for children, AND children come with two parents I don't see the fuss about this one.

If a parent chooses not to allow their children to be near their grandparents, can we not safely assume there is a reason for that and that it is not for the government to tell them who they should hand their children over to? It seems to think they think are going to get the angry grandparents who don't get contact (probably for good reason) on side. Why should I have to prove something in court? An adult child of a person is the BEST person to know if someone is appropriate to look after children.

Regarding smoking...they want pubs and clubs to have the option to have separate, sealed smoking rooms...so no, "giving everyone cancer" doesn't really fit with that, does it?

Please explain to me how they are going to keep them employees (some of whom will have illnesses that can be aggravated by smoke or even be pregnant) from inhaling the smoke when they enter these rooms? Gas mask?

^You say that you are an immigrant with three children receiving top up benefits and that you are a SAHP.
You are a lot better off than many on here. They may have a view on that.^

I and my english for fucking centuries, if that makes it better for you husband do receive some benefits yes. I didn't just get myself pregnant, thanks. Why you think that puts me in a better position than others I'm not sure. Do you also buy in to that idea that immigrants get special treatment down the job centre? Because I can assure you that's bullshit.

Yes I am angry that my family and my relationship of over a decade could in theory be ripped a part. What a twat I am

Regardless of how wordy you manage to be on the internet, if you vote for them, believe them or agree with them, you are an idiot.

Probably the best way to put it

^My son works in a pub. I am thankful every day for that smoking ban.
I have lost one child to cancer. I don't want to lose another just because Farage thinks we should be living in the 1950s.^

So my BFs father in law who sexually abused his children, raped their mother in front of them and regularly beat them will be given 'visitation rights' to his grandchildren. (They never reported it as Jimmy Saville has shown us in the 1970s no one was believed). Thanks UKIP.

So the lung cancer rates can rise again, and the number of smokers because a few lazy arses can go and smoke outside.

Then those with lung cancer (and the rest) then won't be able to be treated as they will have destroyed the NHS by not allowing non-UK citizens to be treated by the NHS, the non-British citizens staff will then be off sick more or just won't be here. Despite paying NI, tax etc.

So my third child will not have any benefits paid for if my husband dies or runs off.

Can't wait.

Don't destroy Britain and all that is good in it by voting in those backward thinking idiots.

Conversation about manifesto pledges would be considerably easier if people stuck to the FACTS.

But there are no facts. They have no manifesto. They have a list of "policies for people" taken from a speech at a conference. It's just hot air. They have nothing.

MrsDeVere

UKIP hate everyone who is not them.

Their policies are unworkable and designed entirely to appeal to those deluded fools who have convinced themselves that they are under siege and that things were lovely in the good old days.

Voting for UKIP denotes the lack of an ability to think or an innate and extreme sense of entitlement.

Regardless of how wordy you manage to be on the internet, if you vote for them, believe them or agree with them, you are an idiot.

Funny - you accuse UKIP of hating everyone else and then demonstrate nothing but contempt for their voters, accusing them of being "deluded", "lacking an ability to think" or of being "idiots".

I don't vote UKIP and never will but in my experience it is the Labour Party that demonstrates actual, visceral dislike of certain people or views. Ironic, given their belief that they own the 'moral high ground'.

But there are no facts. They have no manifesto. They have a list of "policies for people" taken from a speech at a conference. It's just hot air. They have nothing.

To be fair, none of the parties has produced their manifesto yet.

All manifestos (i.e. Labour, Conservative, UKIP etc.) will be published at the start of the 'short' election campaign.