AIBU to think that UKIP don't just hate women, gays, and immigrants but also children?

[ReallyAngryBeavers]

We've had another pile of shit bit of post from UKIP today.

Firstly I am an immigrant I am here by virtue of my EU passport. Should the UK choose to leave the European Union my children would have right to stay but I wouldn't. So I admit I am biased.

There brochure says that grandparents will be given visitation rights. Being that most abuses cases will never go to court and there won't be a "track record" of abuse...shouldn't we leave it to parents to decide who the fuck we give our children to?

They want to cap benefits at 2 children. So people who lose their jobs at 4 kids can just let the last two starve right?

The brochure also promises starting out with 50/50 shared custody. Right, that's great if the majority of families were already practicing 50/50 parenting but as any regular reader of the relationships board can tell you.. There are a lot of absentee dads who are not doing the job while married to their wives. The time is not after the marriage has dissolved to let them play at being a parent so they don't have to pay child support and a woman who has potentially already given up their wage to be a sahp can just be totally fucked over while dad still has all the earning potential.

They want to repeal the Human Rights Act and withdraw from the European court of Human Rights.

They state "business should be able to discriminate in favour of young British workers".

They want to alter the smoking ban, because he why not give everyone working in the pubs cancer while we're ruining the country.

They want to repeal the climate change act. In fact next to immigration they've got loads of legislation to destroy the environment for future generations in the works. Whohoo.

Didn't Gordon Brown want British jobs for British workers years ago?

It's nothing new.

I'm uncomfortable with the 'prioritising British workers' thing, it smacks of 'these bloody forriners coming over here taking our jobs' to me. Jobs should go to the person best for the job. I was not born here yet have lived & worked here for over 15yrs, it would make me very upset for a 'British person' to be automatically considered for jobs before me.

I shouldn't worry. The most important attributes to succeed in politics are intelligence, an appetite for hard work and willingness to compromise.

Haven't seen much of it so far from the Kippers.

""You say that they will repeal the Climate Change Act. Then what? (I don't know - I am not a UKIP voter and haven't read the brochure). There must be more to it than that!! What will the consequences be? Will people go back to burning smog-causing coal??""

There will be no limit to Fracking.

There will be no Carbon Emission targets, or any other Emission targets.

Funding for research into energy saving/replacing strategies will be stopped. So will the funding for Wind Turbines etc.

This links in to Farming, Manufacturing practices, recycling initiatives as well as Marine Conservation.

UKIP don't believe that Human Activity has an impact on Climate Change.

To implement the Benefit changes and Human Rights Act changes, the UK will have to leave the EU, because these are Governed by EU policies.

Live under UKIP and we will be living in the equivalent of the Camps in North Korea.

People who have two children presumably have an income already. It wouldn't go up if it was a wage packet just because another child came along, so there's no need for it to go up because it's a benefit payment.

The majority of benefits receivers are in employment. No, their wage wouldn't go up but their benefits would.

You haven't really thought this through have you? You are just jumping on the UKIP bashing bandwagon.

The leaflet posted through my door and the contents inside would destroy my family should UKIP ever get any real power. So yes, I have thought it through and in fact it's kept me up at night. Please don't attempt to patronize people when you don't actually understand what you are talking about.

Every job I have ever got in this country was because I was the best candidate. Not because I was the cheapest. The country choosing it's best workers helps the economy.

We have three children and live in an area of the SE that means we can only afford to live in a 2 bed home. My Dh makes a reasonable wage (we can't afford for me to work while our 3 are little) but we still need HB and CTC and CB to survive. I suppose we and the rest of the underlings in the SE could just move up north if want to have children.. But it might kind of ruin the life style of the people who do make all the money down here. Who would run their shops and build their homes and wait on them in restaurants? in order for the entire country to run London and the area around need people propping everything up. Should we all just for work for peanuts and not breed?

birds and that really scares me. You can argue about man-made climate change until you are blue in the face, but the bottom line is that fossil fuels are a finite resource. We will run out of oil, coal and shale gas eventually. We need to be investing into alternative technologies now. Not to do so puts the future in jeopardy.

That alone is a reason not to vote UKIP.

I am also an immigrant, and I have obtained every job I have had in the UK on merit. Because I was the best candidate. It is insulting to think that employers will settle for second best on the basis of nationality, and it is also not good for the economy.

Does their pile of shit leaflet have a freepost address at all? If so, send them a brick, OP

bettertogethergo I believe they got rid of their freepost address... I can't imagine why

Also, the shared custody, means that when a couple (but I'll stay with the Women being the one to end it) decides to split, it will be assumed that both parties have been fully co-parenting from birth, so 50-50 access will be granted, from day one.

This will only not happen when one parent proves in court that, that hasn't been the case, the other parent is abusive/committed DV, is incapable from giving the child adequate care etc, that will take at least ten weeks.

So if DV escalates on the birth of the baby, until a court convicts the perpetrator, the new born/toddler must be handed over.

That's why there was a celebration by MRAs when this was announced.

It means a return to the days when women would hang on in abusive/bad relationships because of a fear of what would happen to the children, when she ended it.

Once you disempower Mothers, you have a good grip on society.

"Political Correctness" will be banned, so it won't be long before we'll see media propaganda used to convince everyone why we need the extreme policies that will be brought in by Parliament.

Oh, and now Farage is saying only British citizens should be allowed to use the NHS. So I can work in it, pay taxes and NI and not use it... There is no limit to the man's delusions, is there?

They've also said cyclists will be compelled to get off the roads and cycle on the pavement (what could possibly go wrong?) and that anybody in receipt of benefits will be banned from driving.

To be fair, UKIP are equal opportunity haters because, quite often, they don't appear to like each other al that much, either.

I'm still waiting for an actual manifesto that they'll not try to disown in the next 4 months.

Why shouldn't british workers be prioritised? Many jobs are advertised in Polish or Czech. Some are not even advertised in the UK at all. Is that ok with you? Or is it only British workers that shouldn't be prioritized for jobs in Britain?

nobody should be prioritized. it's illegal to post job ads asking for a specific nationality.

I also suspect OP that you do very little to take care of the environment - you have just picked it as trendy buzz-word.

Grandad?!

Actual Lolz at Climate change being a "trendy buzzword" is it 1994? Also confused at your "suspicions" about what I do for the environment? I suspect you have 6 kids all named George that will only eat fishfingers. Am I right?

Not six kids but you didn't explain your concerns about the environment - Birdsgottafly gave a better outline by detailing the Climate Change Act and I'll go and do a bit of research on that.

It was the sentence that "they've got loads of legislation to destroy the environment for future generations in the works. Whohoo." which led to my comment about your use of the word "environment". It is the only concrete word in the sentence.

As for fracking as I see it the Conservatives are generally in favour and the Labour Party are ok with it as long as the rules are tightened - but it is up for debate. So to say UKIP is the only party in favour is simply stupid.

My judgement of your attitude to the environment was wrong I admit - sorry. I don't know you at all.

It is just that bald comments about the "environment" are frequently made by people who go to the supermarket and buy stuff without checking airmiles, without supporting farmers who take care of their animals, who say they can't afford to shop in a local shop who pays local workers, who then carry it all home in plastic carrier bags - etc etc.

You didn't come back on the point about jobs being advertised abroad and not in the UK. Or about certain jobs in jobcentres only being advertised in Polish.

My main reaction to your post was that it was simple "This is all bad for me" and so should be bad for everyone.

If you demonise UKIP they'll do far better than if everyone simply discusses the issues intelligently.

OK OP - no response to the reasonable questions.

You say that you are an immigrant with three children receiving top up benefits and that you are a SAHP.
You are a lot better off than many on here. They may have a view on that.

You are concerned that UKIP is promoting policies that would affect your quality of life so rather than argue the logic of the policies you just start a goady thread saying that UKIP hates everybody.

Maybe they do, maybe they don't but the policy debate is the interesting one.

PS forgot to say - "the "buzzword" comment was supposed to be ironic - picking up on the the "loads of legislation" remark - but never mind.

Also I suspect a troll so will be leaving the thread now

Repealing the Climate Change Act - and the ramifications of that in terms of other countries feeling they had an excuse to undo or loosen their own carbon reduction commitments - would have a fairly negative effect on the quality of life of a fair few people.

There are plenty of trade offs in environmental policy. Suggesting that people who care about environmental policy are only 'proper' if they never use

Air miles is a pretty weak argument and doesn't get anywhere near looking at the carbon footprint of food - total red herring. Most imports aren't flown in anyway, and a lot of local produce has a worse environmental impact, depending on season and inputs.

Sorry, derailed a bit due to some quite silly statements.

Don't give UKIP the publicity that feeds them.

It's been a wet & windy day here today so I lit a fire. I've heard that we're due more snow later on this week, coming down from the arctic. Brrrrrr, time to hunt down the hot water bottles I think!

frances I agree they have been given far more publicity than they warrant. They will at best win three or four seats in costal towns populated by angry, elderly white working class voters and will be too snall to even be the most minor coalition partners. Worrying what is in their manifesto is like worrying what is in the Mondter Raving Loony party's manifesto. Both are a total irrelevance.

UKIP are full of bullshit. At one point it was laughable, now it is genuinely concerning. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they destroy themselves with the incompetence in the build up. If they get their way about anything, I'm buggered.

Even if you agree that British workers should be prioritised for job vacancies, UKIP want to encourage the discrimination of others in favour of young British workers - so you'd still be discriminating against lots of groups of people, including lots of groups of Britons.

And they still don't have an actual manifesto yet, do they?

Certain countries (including USA and Australia IIRC) already put their own citizens first when it comes to work. It's not so much a case of prioritising applicants for specific posts as matching skills the country needs more of against those of potential immigrants before issuing a work visa.

DB is working in the US for a UK company (they need a certain number of Brits over there) but will not be able to remain once post ends unless he can show that the country needs his skills or marry an American lady.