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You are a bad mum

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LostOnLand · 13/01/2015 14:42

I was walking home from school pick up with my reception age child and younger child in a buggy. Because it was raining I'd put my youngest in an all in one rain suit thing and a took a hat and wellies for my eldest. The hat I use to help keep the hood on and to cover her fringe - she insists on having her hair up in a plait, I can't do french plaits and her hair is curly and rebellious like mine so would just unravel. This means the hood can't reach right to the front of her head but the bobble on the hat keeps it at least half on. She's the sort of child to strip off her layers in cold and rain and wonder round in a summer dress in winter. She is also happy to complain if she is unhappy, this is no shrinking violet! I also don't think getting wet is a terrible thing, particularly when we are heading home to a well heated house with lots of warm and clean clothes.

We also have a long walk home, I have a long term back problem and usually am in a lot of discomfort or pain. We have to walk passed lots of other kids from various schools. On our last leg of the journey I hear a screeching of "hat" "hat" "hat" behind me. I can see both kids have their hats and haven't dropped them (this is common) but no this woman is telling me off because my eldest's hood isn't completely on her head. The women then starts trying to force the hood back over my DD's head. I do not know this woman, she is either a childminder or grandparent and had a few children with her who go to a different school (we go to the MC CoE school while the area itself is considered fairly deprived). I tell her not to do that and leave my DD alone. She tells me 'she will get wet' and I say 'a bit a rain won't harm anyone'. She retorts that 'she will get a cold'. I tell her to learn some science, being out in the rain doesn't give people colds, it's bacteria and germs' (I did mean viruses sorry). She then tells me I am a bad mother, which is just a horrible thing to say over something so minor and in front of my children and her charges. I left it with calling her an interfering old lady but think I was very reserved considering.

I don't know if it's unreasonable to expect strangers to not man handle my children, we live in London and it's not something I expect or am comfortable with. As a family we don't much support and involvement of family or friends in bringing up our children. I think I'm doing a decent job considering both physical problems and severe depression. I'm 32 and a very capable adult, however I have been told I look much younger - I do wonder if this was the reason for her being patronising, interfering and insulting - I'm told I'd pass as ten years younger. I doubt this woman would've done this to my husband (because mothers are judged so much more than fathers) or someone her own age. I really struggle with feeling negatively judged and it's led to avoiding talking to people and having bad social anxiety. I also have no flipping clue what is reasonable and whether I deserved that. I know my kids didn't deserve to hear it.

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WorraLiberty · 13/01/2015 22:13

thiskiwicanfly tell me what the woman's age has to do with it?

Would what she said and did be acceptable if she was younger?

No, it wouldn't. So her age is just as irrelevant as her skin colour or sexual orientation for example.

People are living longer and longer now, which is another reason to quit with the ageist remarks.

thiskiwicanfly · 14/01/2015 02:33

What I am trying to say is - if the interfering person was 1)female and 2) old (or older than the OP, who describes her possibly as a grandparent) then she can be described as an old woman... it describes her. She was interfering as well - you can describe her as such... it describes the person - old woman does not necessarily denote what kind of person it is, simply that they are female and old - not a young man or a person of indeterminate age and gender, a descriptor nothing more. OP could have called her much worse to be honest.

All PC madness on a thread really about how someone feels about an incident - and here I am also derailing - so this will be my last response to the language stuff.

Yes I am aware I will get flamed for this.

I still think the OP did the right thing and much better than I would have done.

RandomNPC · 14/01/2015 02:38

And another thread dissolves into a bunfight about semantics...

RandomNPC · 14/01/2015 02:43

Oh, and YANBU. Dreadful woman.

GallicIsCharlie · 14/01/2015 02:57

She was weird and very ill-mannered.

As your replies are showing you, rather a lot of people assume 'ownership' of children and their mothers. It's really fucking irritating (unless they come good in an emergency, obvs,) but just one of those things.

You are wrong to insult her age. She was a lot 'wronger' than you, though.

I'm sorry your conditions make it difficult to deal with overbearing people. If I may make a suggestion (I am not socially anxious, btw,) it's very often easiest just to give such folks their sweeties Wink You do not have to win every encounter. You can say "Oh, yes, good point! Let go of her head, please. Thank you!" And go about your business.

Life is short, pick your battles, and so on :)

GallicIsCharlie · 14/01/2015 03:04

Kiwi - I have strong feelings about ageism. You shouldn't use 'old' if you wouldn't say 'black' or 'jewish', for instance. The MN response would be "What has her race/religion to do with it?" Equally, her age has nothing to do with it. She clearly was interfering & ill-mannered, and no doubt would be whatever her age, race or creed.

Italiangreyhound · 14/01/2015 03:05

LostOnLand you did really well not to get more annoyed. I thin you handled it well.

It sounds like, maybe because you are quite young (to me) and you say you look younger that you feel a bit like people may not take you so seriously as a mum? If that is the case, please try and get those thoughts out of your head. the counselling will help. I have had lots of counselling for anxiety etc. You are doing a great job and are so right a bit of water will not hurt them.

This woman may have though she was doing you a favour, or she may have been interfering for the sake of it. Who knows. I personally feel in these situations it is best to just go broken record on people with a simple "She's fine." and move away. You do not need to educate her or worry what she thinks about you, you know your child is fine. My dd hates wearing a coat and is often coat-less and cardigna-less in cold weather!

Good luck with the counselling and take the helpful comments from the thread and in the words of Elsa 'Let it go' to any that do not help you!

All the best.

LostOnLand · 14/01/2015 12:02

I think the 'old' thing is really not an issue, much in the same way as being called a 'young lady' wouldn't be the insult, it would be the other descriptor, unless the age was implied to be a factor in a wider insult. In fact it could be interpreted (and it's probably true) that this woman acted in that way because of her age prejudice, she considered me to be young and therefore not a responsible parent (hence 'bad mum' being on the tip of her tongue) and felt that as an older woman she had a right to interfere - that's why I mention us going to the MC school which is a bit of bubble in a less well off borough, this woman may have encountered actual young mums who are struggling (or she judges as not doing/not being capable of doing a good job) when I'm not aware of that happening because of the bubble, made worse by not being able to get out to groups etc due to pain and mobility issues.

I struggle to integrate into the school, again for looking too young and not having the energy to overcome this. I'm bang on average for the age of a mother of a 4/5 year old first child in the UK so I'm not at all a young parent but, understandably because you need to earn a lot of money to buy a house here, many of the other parents are well over average. Our first was a surprise and a few years earlier than we would have planned for the same reasons but we were very lucky we had money to buy a home and my husband has a good career.

It is just very strange to feel like a capable adult and parent, albeit far from perfect, and to have someone treating you like a stupid and irresponsible child. It's only since having kids I realised how my outward appearance doesn't match who I am on the inside. Including an incident a few weeks ago where I was chatted up on the train by a young man who thought I might be a single parent, so it's not always a negative reaction but still feels very strange.

Oh and DD1 ran down the street in her elsa dress, without a coat until half way back home. It was freezing. But I remember also loving running around outside in all weathers and getting soaked by the rain. I started singing the Beatles song about rain after that incident, I often do when it's raining.

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Italiangreyhound · 14/01/2015 14:27

LostOnLand you have explained the age references very well (that is exactly what I thought might be the case). Not that you may feel a little insecure because you look younger but because other people may perceive you as younger than you are they may question things you do). Which should not mean you are any less capable at all but might make some people feel like that.

Try not to worry. I think you handled it well. I am often finding my views about stuff come up against what some other parents think, about all kinds of stuff! The importance of homework, for example. Having a child who is dyslexic means I have needed to think differently for her, and it is not just about reading and writing but all kinds of areas where she does things a bit differently and where I end up doing things differently to help/accommodate her.

I am an older mum, in my 40s, and one of the mums in her 20s said she felt shut out by some of the mums who were older than her but ironically the mums like me (and my friend), who are a lot older than her were more welcoming! Everyone is different so this is not a general rule, just an example.

summerdreams · 14/01/2015 14:58

You sound like you handled it very well. My sons been screaming uncontrollably every time I put a hat on him until I take it off. He's 5 months and has been doing it since 3 months. He breath holds and has blue episodes when left to scream so not an option so we make do with a big hood and snowsuit with a cold weather foot muff and blanket people shouldn't be so quick to judge and at that age a bit of rain is not gonna hurt .

ChickenMe · 14/01/2015 15:11

You seem pretty sensible to me OP. You don't need her approval; she seemed to lack social skills anyway. It can help, if you feel anxious, to have a few stock, non-emotive but vaguely patronising, answers for such socially inept people eg "don't speak to me please" "leave us alone" or "(point to nose)keep this out"/"(point to mouth)you, keep this shut".

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