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You are a bad mum

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LostOnLand · 13/01/2015 14:42

I was walking home from school pick up with my reception age child and younger child in a buggy. Because it was raining I'd put my youngest in an all in one rain suit thing and a took a hat and wellies for my eldest. The hat I use to help keep the hood on and to cover her fringe - she insists on having her hair up in a plait, I can't do french plaits and her hair is curly and rebellious like mine so would just unravel. This means the hood can't reach right to the front of her head but the bobble on the hat keeps it at least half on. She's the sort of child to strip off her layers in cold and rain and wonder round in a summer dress in winter. She is also happy to complain if she is unhappy, this is no shrinking violet! I also don't think getting wet is a terrible thing, particularly when we are heading home to a well heated house with lots of warm and clean clothes.

We also have a long walk home, I have a long term back problem and usually am in a lot of discomfort or pain. We have to walk passed lots of other kids from various schools. On our last leg of the journey I hear a screeching of "hat" "hat" "hat" behind me. I can see both kids have their hats and haven't dropped them (this is common) but no this woman is telling me off because my eldest's hood isn't completely on her head. The women then starts trying to force the hood back over my DD's head. I do not know this woman, she is either a childminder or grandparent and had a few children with her who go to a different school (we go to the MC CoE school while the area itself is considered fairly deprived). I tell her not to do that and leave my DD alone. She tells me 'she will get wet' and I say 'a bit a rain won't harm anyone'. She retorts that 'she will get a cold'. I tell her to learn some science, being out in the rain doesn't give people colds, it's bacteria and germs' (I did mean viruses sorry). She then tells me I am a bad mother, which is just a horrible thing to say over something so minor and in front of my children and her charges. I left it with calling her an interfering old lady but think I was very reserved considering.

I don't know if it's unreasonable to expect strangers to not man handle my children, we live in London and it's not something I expect or am comfortable with. As a family we don't much support and involvement of family or friends in bringing up our children. I think I'm doing a decent job considering both physical problems and severe depression. I'm 32 and a very capable adult, however I have been told I look much younger - I do wonder if this was the reason for her being patronising, interfering and insulting - I'm told I'd pass as ten years younger. I doubt this woman would've done this to my husband (because mothers are judged so much more than fathers) or someone her own age. I really struggle with feeling negatively judged and it's led to avoiding talking to people and having bad social anxiety. I also have no flipping clue what is reasonable and whether I deserved that. I know my kids didn't deserve to hear it.

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DixieNormas · 13/01/2015 16:30

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WestEast · 13/01/2015 16:37

She sounds like a twat. Plain and simple.
You sound like a lovely mum.
And for what it's worth I was a child who like nothing better to strip off all my clothes and run round the garden in the rain. I've made it to almost 30 so I don't think it's done any lasting damage!

MrsMook · 13/01/2015 16:40

She'd have had a field day on my DS today. The only outside bit we did was about 100 yards from the car to the swimming pool so I let him wear his beloved shorts (thinking of him hanging around the poolside and showers during DS2's lesson) . Very short shorts as they are age 12-18 months to fit his small waist (He is 4) A thick jumper seemed sufficient to not need his coat. It sleeted when we came out and he's leaping around happily with no sign of colds/ flu/ pneumonia. Having a 25th centimetres child with a 99th centile head, hoods very rarely fit even when the garment is hanging off with growing room. The key thing is I have spare blankets and garments in the car should we break down.

You dealt with it very well. Don't let random nutters get you down.

TheReluctantCountess · 13/01/2015 16:43

She is bonkers and needs to learn boundaries. You did notng wrong.

My eight year old will happily go out in all weather in his Crocs. He claims his feet don't feel cold and they are quick to put on.

loveareadingthanks · 13/01/2015 16:47

I'm sorry this made your anxiety worse.

She was a batty bag you should completely ignore.

Or...and I don't want to make the thread take a nasty turn, but ... was she from another country? A warmer/drier one? My ex was and he, and all his family, and all his friends, were total wimps about anything other than hot sunny weather. And convinced that going out in cold weather or getting wet (and god forbid mud) would practically make them die. To the extent of not letting their kids eat icecream in winter because it would give them a chill and they might die. Never going outside in the rain. Wearing about a million layers of clothes year round (full long johns even in the peak of summer). If she was, then she was still out of order, but she may have been genuinely frightened at the thought of a child getting even slightly wet. Still batty, but with a reason for battiness.

No excuse for her rudeness in calling you a bad mother. I think you were remarkably self restrained and dignified with your responses and handled it very very well. I'd have told her to fuck off and take her mental theories with her.

PurpleStripedSock · 13/01/2015 16:48

OP my 20 month old refuses to wear the hood of a certain coat (other's she's fine with. I know she does this to fuck with my mind). Last night she insisted on walking home... in the rain... and made it quite clear that she was uninterested in the sling. Imagine if your old hag had seen us? I'm pregnant, saturated and grim faced at the long march ahead while my daughter is splashing along unhooded or hatted?

I often got told off when she was only a couple of months old for not having a hat on her but eff off, it was summer and I judged that she didn't bloody need one.

I've had a well meaning acquaintance feel the back of her neck while I was holding her to check if she was warm enough when she was around six months old.

I once carried her across the street in direct sunlight and had a woman shout in my face 'DON'T HAVE YOUR BABY IN THE SUN' - I'm Australian and have practivally albino colouring so it's not as if I don't know about sun smart living!!!

All of this is to say, I've had so many randoms interfere, comment on or judge what I'm doing with my daughter in Central London that it no longer makes me stabby (or makes me feel inadequate).

I'm sorry this happened to you but she's wrong. You're a great mother. You know how to braid hair for goodness sake. I will never master this :-)

Charingcrossbun · 13/01/2015 16:51

As above op clearly you are a great mum who can model calm behaviour when faced with interfering busy bodies.
ConfusedInteresting you saying it wouldn't have happened to you DH. I think it does happen to then but the tone is different. I was once in the lobby of a hotel with DS 8m and DP. DP was throwing DS in the air (not high obv) and DS was gigging and laughing. An old women came up to DP and said "now you be careful" with a big smile then rounded on me (queuing for coffee out of his ear shot) and had a massive go at how I was irresponsible and not looking after my baby! Batty interferes clearly have sexist standards too...

ilovemargaretatwood8931 · 13/01/2015 16:55

What Linerunner said, and JackieMagazine... in fact what everyone said!

You handled that very well, she was completely ridiculous- 1-0 to you!

AmantesSuntAmentes · 13/01/2015 17:02

Mine regularly strip down to undies and dance in the rain (usually in the garden, occasionally on the beach!).

I'm not quite sure what I'd do to someone who manhandled one of my DC aside from knock them out but she was most definitely in the wrong. Honestly, what posesses people?

I was accused of giving my child cancer by a gang of old ladies once. It was a sunny day but she was covered from head to toe in both clothing and suncream + wide brim hat. I mainly gawped at them! It stayed with me though - busybodies are cruel and unnecessary!

LostOnLand · 13/01/2015 17:02

Oooop Dixie. I don't know where our rain cover is, hence the all in one - DD2 was in a buggy. I have sometimes not bothered with the cover when I do have it because it flippin hurts to bend down and sort it out. I ended up running with the brolly over her once.

HRH - we had an incident in Germany just like this - older lady shouting at us because DD1 (2 at the time) was having an epic tantrum in the pushchair and 'looked hot and needed a drink' (DH could understand the German unlike me) - she had just had a massive beer glass of Apple juice in the beer garden and was screaming because she was tired. I think that was fear of the sun and heat so some people are just scared of the weather full stop!

It is good to know I'm not the only one to encounter such madness (I think I have a target on my head to get the attention of people like this) and also describing me as restrained, I was surprised myself but also a bit disappointed how tame my retort was in comparison to bad mum. Imagine her report to SS, and then their visit to my well maintained home with happy, well cared for kids. I'm not perfect but at least I have some bloody compassion.

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CrabbyTheCrabster · 13/01/2015 17:04

'Old hag' purple? Hmm What a nasty misogynistic, ageist way to refer to someone.

OP YANBU of course, she sounds mad as a hatter and I think you were incredibly restrained. I'd have told her to mind her own fucking business.

LostOnLand · 13/01/2015 17:06

DD1 is wearing her Elsa dress and wants to go out without a coat. She says the cold doesn't bother her anyway so ner.

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SantasLittleMonkeyButler · 13/01/2015 17:15

Yep, as everyone else has said. It's the interfering woman who has the problem, not you!

DD (3) will, at the moment, only wear a thin (but very pink & fluffy) jacket instead of a proper winter coat. After trying to make her wear something more suitable - and enduring the resulting removal-of-coat-in-the-rain tantrum time & time again, we now get around the issue by putting as many layers as possible under the jacket, gloves, a woolly hat and a big pink fluffy snood. She is warm. However this does not stop random people pointing & saying things like "that poor child, she must be freezing."

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WorraLiberty · 13/01/2015 17:26

You handled it quite well apart from the casual ageism. 'Interfering lady' would have done.

But apart from that, YANBU. Your kids are none of her business.

hauntedhenry · 13/01/2015 17:26

Sounds like my MIL, she's always doing things like that to my dc. Forget about her.

Artifexmumdi · 13/01/2015 17:28

OP. Grin re your Elsa. And well-handled by you.

Artifexmumdi · 13/01/2015 17:29

Forghot to say what is so wrong with being cold sometimes anyway? It makes cocoa taste better Wink

AmantesSuntAmentes · 13/01/2015 17:30

'Old hag' purple? What a nasty misogynistic, ageist way to refer to someone.

Crab, why do you find 'old hag' so offensive? It's a common name for the elder of the virgin, mother and crone trinity. Hag is the goddess of wisdom or the 'wise one'. The matriarchal trinity preceded the patriarchal trinity! The term is definitely not misogynistic but on the contrary, refers to feminine power. I think claiming back our words, idols and terminology is a more positive way forward, than crying 'offence!' at every uttering of them?

FightOrFlight · 13/01/2015 17:32

So it's not okay to gt a bit of rain in your hair and make accusing and insulting comments to a stranger but it is okay to start touching their child Hmm. She sounds a right cow and I feel sorry for any child in her care.

It was all I could do to get my boys to even put their coats on in wet weather, let alone zip them up or use the hood.

I should be reported to Social Services, I'm clearly abusive and a classic example of a bad mother.

FightOrFlight · 13/01/2015 17:33

Oops, I meant:

So it's not okay to gt a bit of rain in your hair but it is okay to make accusing and insulting comments to a stranger and to start touching their child

LittleBearPad · 13/01/2015 17:33

Well done OP. You dealt very well with her. Don't let her get you down.

HolyTerror · 13/01/2015 17:48

I don't know, I think some ideas about 'appropriate' clothing are generational - my mother, in her late sixties, will literally canter along puffing behind my hat- and hood-hating two year old trying to squish one down in his head, despite me repeatedly telling her he wouldn't melt in mild drizzle. She does still also believe that being out in the cold makes you get a cold, despite anything I can tell her about viruses. I think she does feel the cold more as she gets older, but she won't understand that other people don't like or need the same amount of clothing or heating as her... It's odd in that she had a very poor rural upbringing, and cycled miles daily in inadequate clothing in bad weather.

Agreeing also with a previous poster who said some nationalities/ethnicities seem to have very different ideas about how to dress for particular temperatures/climates. I remember being furious when, as a sensitive new mother in a London park, a group of elderly Turkish women picnicking nearby had a low-voiced conversation about my six month old, who was playing happily on a rug in the shade in his nappy in the middle of a heat wave, and one of them actually came over and said 'More clothes!' and put her hands on him uninvited to check whether he was cold!

Moreisnnogedag · 13/01/2015 17:49

See I know you feel disappointed in your 'tame' response but actually I think you did brilliantly. You Moseley perfectly calm reasoned behaviour to your children, whereas I would have probably only succeeded in teaching them some new words. But honestly your response was much much better.

Moreisnnogedag · 13/01/2015 17:49

Moseley?? Modelled