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You are a bad mum

86 replies

LostOnLand · 13/01/2015 14:42

I was walking home from school pick up with my reception age child and younger child in a buggy. Because it was raining I'd put my youngest in an all in one rain suit thing and a took a hat and wellies for my eldest. The hat I use to help keep the hood on and to cover her fringe - she insists on having her hair up in a plait, I can't do french plaits and her hair is curly and rebellious like mine so would just unravel. This means the hood can't reach right to the front of her head but the bobble on the hat keeps it at least half on. She's the sort of child to strip off her layers in cold and rain and wonder round in a summer dress in winter. She is also happy to complain if she is unhappy, this is no shrinking violet! I also don't think getting wet is a terrible thing, particularly when we are heading home to a well heated house with lots of warm and clean clothes.

We also have a long walk home, I have a long term back problem and usually am in a lot of discomfort or pain. We have to walk passed lots of other kids from various schools. On our last leg of the journey I hear a screeching of "hat" "hat" "hat" behind me. I can see both kids have their hats and haven't dropped them (this is common) but no this woman is telling me off because my eldest's hood isn't completely on her head. The women then starts trying to force the hood back over my DD's head. I do not know this woman, she is either a childminder or grandparent and had a few children with her who go to a different school (we go to the MC CoE school while the area itself is considered fairly deprived). I tell her not to do that and leave my DD alone. She tells me 'she will get wet' and I say 'a bit a rain won't harm anyone'. She retorts that 'she will get a cold'. I tell her to learn some science, being out in the rain doesn't give people colds, it's bacteria and germs' (I did mean viruses sorry). She then tells me I am a bad mother, which is just a horrible thing to say over something so minor and in front of my children and her charges. I left it with calling her an interfering old lady but think I was very reserved considering.

I don't know if it's unreasonable to expect strangers to not man handle my children, we live in London and it's not something I expect or am comfortable with. As a family we don't much support and involvement of family or friends in bringing up our children. I think I'm doing a decent job considering both physical problems and severe depression. I'm 32 and a very capable adult, however I have been told I look much younger - I do wonder if this was the reason for her being patronising, interfering and insulting - I'm told I'd pass as ten years younger. I doubt this woman would've done this to my husband (because mothers are judged so much more than fathers) or someone her own age. I really struggle with feeling negatively judged and it's led to avoiding talking to people and having bad social anxiety. I also have no flipping clue what is reasonable and whether I deserved that. I know my kids didn't deserve to hear it.

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IfYouWereARiverIdLearnToFloat · 13/01/2015 17:55

You dealt with it well. Some people are just desperate to meddle! I hate confrontation - once had a well dressed woman accuse me of telling her beagle to "fuck off" when in actual fact her dog lunged and snapped at my dog when we walked by. My whippet who is a rescue from a previous violent home got a fright so I said "you're okay" to him. She was wearing headphones and at first I thought she was stopping to apologise but even after telling her I clearly didn't tell her dog to fuck off she was still aggressively adamant I had. I felt I was wasting my time trying to reason with her & walked on - she was the one with the problem. Kinda rattled me for a few weeks when I was out walking. Put it out your mind... some people are just rude & bereft of manners!

WorraLiberty · 13/01/2015 17:57

Sorry I'm not having a go at the OP who was quite obviously caught on the hop by this interfering woman, but using ageist language is not modelling perfectly calm reasoned behaviour.

I still think she handled a very difficult situation well, but I just need to point that out Moreisnnogedag

usualsuspect333 · 13/01/2015 18:06

She sounds a bit bonkers.

I'm not sure what your children going to a nice MC school has to do with it though.

NickiFury · 13/01/2015 18:10

Grin I love "exhaling with a barely audible fffuuuucccckkkk yyyooouu". I'm going to do that loads from now on.

monkeytree · 13/01/2015 18:59

Not just in London. One parent a woman who I no longer communicate with told me we had very different parenting styles and then tried to psychoanalyse me and look at my past to determine why my parenting skills were so poor/how she could help me improve. IMO she's got a load of problems herself and her parenting isn't exactly brilliant but I would never have spoken to her the way she spoke to me that day. Try to avoid people like that they can be very narrow minded and nothing will change their fixed ideas/opinions (often misguided) at that.

VivienneRuns · 13/01/2015 19:06

She'll pick on the wrong person one of these days and get a well deserved slap. You are not a bad mother, she is a crazy person with nothing better to do than poke her nose into other peoples business in an attempt to create drama in her empty life.

Birdsgottafly · 13/01/2015 19:22

The language used has been ageist and sexist.

The OP used "old" as an insult, because since the beginning of time, women have been told that the worse thing they can do to become even more unimportant, is age.

Then "Hag" and " bag" has been thrown in the mix.

If the OP had of said "you're a interfering black/fat/Muslim woman" she would be flamed, but using something which hopefully happens to all women, ageing, as a way to insult someone, seems to get support across MN.

Personally, I would physically stop anyone from actually adjusting a child's clothing and tell them to mind their own business, I wouldn't resort to personal insults, especially those that come under protected characteristics and are misogynist in nature.

heartisaspade · 13/01/2015 19:54

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AmantesSuntAmentes · 13/01/2015 20:05

Honestly, has no-one heard of the hag goddess, the crone? 'Hag' isn't a misogynistic insult!

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 13/01/2015 20:06

What a load of nonsense.

Yeah right..when people.call a woman an old hag they really mean she is a goddess Hmm

PurpleStripedSock · 13/01/2015 20:15

To clarify, I wasn't celebrating the interfering biddies feminine power by calling her an old hag. I was being intentionally derogatory and dismissive to support OP who was feeling a bit emotionally battered.

p.s. I just muttered fuck you as I exhaled...

AmantesSuntAmentes · 13/01/2015 20:23

Nonsense. Educate yourself, fanjo. What I said is 'hag' is not misogynistic.

MillieH30 · 13/01/2015 20:25

You are not a bad mother, the woman was rude. It sounds like you handled an awkward situation with dignity.

Try not to read it as too much of a personal criticism, my MIL does this sort of thing for attention regardless of the age of the carer.

elfycat · 13/01/2015 20:26

LostOnLand

genuine laugh here at the Elsa dress. Christmas day I went for a walk along the south coast with my family. DD1 (6) was wearing her Xmas gift Elsa dress. She took of her coat and walked along the sea-front. She got some odd looks but no-one said anything.

Yesterday DD2 (4) was wearing her Elsa dress on the school run. She took off her coat to run around.

Mind you the cold doesn't bother me much. I however do not have 'the dress'.

I must have a 'fuck-off' look as I don't tend to get challenged. And I never get challenged twice Grin

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 13/01/2015 20:26

Am perfectly well educated thanks.

The nonsense I was referring to is that obviously whatever the origin of the word, people clearly use it as a misogynistic insult. So to claim it isn't here is somewhat disingenuous.

rhetorician · 13/01/2015 20:31

I get these pitying looks all the time. DD (3...that seems to be a theme, eh?) refuses to wear any dress with sleeves. Like SantasLittleMonkey we deal with this by adding items under and over the flimsy summer dress. I bring her when I drop DD1 at school in the mornings, whereupon she removes coat, hoody and whatever else and flounces around in said summer dress. Everyone looks at me funny. She then refuses to put any of it back on until we are standing next to the exit. Everyone I know is obsessed by the disease-causing properties of rainwater (we live in Ireland, ffs)

AmantesSuntAmentes · 13/01/2015 20:52

fanjo, how, exactly, is a word which is not misogynistic, a 'misogynistic insult'?

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 13/01/2015 20:53

I can't even argue with such a stupid train of thought.

People use it as an insult to women. Maybe that's not the original derivation but that's how it is used colloquially.

I am tempted to ask if you are on glue but that would be rude Grin

WorraLiberty · 13/01/2015 20:57

AmantesSuntAmentes Are you on glue please and thank you? Grin

Not so rude when put like that...

AmantesSuntAmentes · 13/01/2015 21:14

So, misogyny is OK but making a derogatory comment about substance abuse isn't? Interesting. No, I'm not and I genuinely don't feel hag is an insult. If anything, I find it amusing if people attempt to use it as one because it's far from it. I see nothing wrong with re-claiming it, if it's misused. Why do you?

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 13/01/2015 21:18

Ok. You hag. Grin

WorraLiberty · 13/01/2015 21:23

They don't attempt to use it as an insult, they do use it as an insult and it's taken that way too.

If it wasn't, there would be nothing to reclaim would there?

thiskiwicanfly · 13/01/2015 21:47

Oh FFS! This is a thread about the OP's feelings - not exactly the place for a debate on the characteristics of words and insults.

Frankly - I'd have called her an old bat/bag/hag/bitch too... it describes the person interfering rather than makes a statement on all women on the school run and all over the world. She is not a friend, not someone who was behaving reasonably and who upset the OP!

And breathe...

OP - you behaved admirably and your children are lucky to have someone who has such good grace under pressure. Flowers

AmantesSuntAmentes · 13/01/2015 21:50

Hah! Thank you muchly Grin

Insults are only insults if received as insults, Worra (see above!). If people attempt to misuse a word then there is indeed something to reclaim.

AmantesSuntAmentes · 13/01/2015 21:50

Hah! Thank you muchly Grin

Insults are only insults if received as insults, Worra (see above!). If people attempt to misuse a word then there is indeed something to reclaim.

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