To think that Charlie Hebdo...

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...would have been more like this had it been published in Britain rather than France?

www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/what-if-icharlie-hebdo-i-had-been-published-in-britain/16443#.VLLmGXv26Sq

Don't go, OP! Please tell us how enviromentalism is a load of old bollocks.

I think I'm not getting the point because tbh I would think it a good thing if overtly racist, sexist, homophobic, whatever, caricatures were campaigned against in the ways described in the article.

Gratuitous offensiveness is all well and good but it's also good we have democratic channels by which we can challenge hate speech- petitions, union meetings, all the things mentioned in the 'article'

Read Charlie Hebdo every week for about 6 months, then you'll see it's not about lampooning Muslims. It's not so far from Private Eye.

It completely misses the point of Charlie Hebdo raison d'etre. All forms of religious extremism were fair game for ridicule. So no, it would've been of much the same format wherever it was published. And the whole link completely diminishes the enormity of what has happened.

Oh god, it's not even half term.

yes I suspect your right - I'm glad of that

I think that the OP knows they've been rumbled, and has fucked off in a puff of smoke. Can anyone smell brimstone?

Ahhh. Now some people are getting to the point. Yep, I'm pretty glad that we don't see free speech in quite the same way as the French.

But then we have the whole issue of satire which some people seem to think is just... well... satire.

Is satire all the same regardless of who it is directed at? When in a country with a large Roman Catholic majority and a small Muslim minority, does satire hurt all equally?

Shiould satire be reserved as a weapon to be used against the powerful rather than those at the bottom of the social pile?

Aristophanes' play The Clouds has been seen by many as the hemlock that killed Socrates. That's quite some power for a piece of satire.

We are currently hearing people say that self censorship is an inherently bad thing and that we shouldn't give in to it, but I self censor every day, and I consider that to be a good thing.

Discuss.

No. Fuck off.

Kittens or puppies.

DISCUSS.

Kittens FTW

What Random said.

Lovely kittens, so cute!

Puppies!

Controversial, Slaggy.

Finally! A proper debate on key issues affecting us all. Kittens, everytime, they are cuter

Fuck you OP
Get the fuck to fucking fuck.

Etc.

JeffVader there, channelling Malcolm Tucker.

kittens

My old geography teacher just joined MN.

Discuss.

Discuss

I dislike people telling me what to do

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Oh and puppies

A heavy thick-centred disc thrown by an athlete in ancient Greek games or in modern field events, or a small colourful South American freshwater fish with a rounded laterally compressed body, native to South America and popular in aquariums.

DISCUS

Maybe Charlie Hebdo is offensive, but its journalists did not deserve to die. The OP link shows that there potentially legal ways to campaign against anti islamic cartoons. My impression is that Charlie Hebdo is a cross between Viz and Private eye.
Charlie Hebdo did go out of production for a period because even the French did not have sufficent appertite for offensive cartoons. Muslim terrorists fire bombing Charlie Hebdo offices and later commiting murder have given Charlie the oxygen of publicity. Charlie Hebdo did antegonise the muslim community with its cartoons because they got a reaction and it sold papers. If Islamic state afflicated terrorists had ignored Charlie then Charlie Hebdo would have gone out of business.

It is never OK for people to take the law into their own hands and commit murder of people they don't like. I feel that this thread is distasteful. It forgets the the Jews in the supermarket who were murdered had done nothing. These people were just full of hate and wanted an excuse to kill.

Discuss?

You've been here before.

And puppies.

Reallytired, the pause in publication was due to the magazine being banned, not because it was unpopular. I don't know where you have made the connection that the magazines business model was based around antagonising Islamic State. And as for cimparing the deaths of those in the supermarket with those at Charlie Hebdo, as they had done "nothing", I don't know where to begin. That comment is beyond the pale in my opinion. I shall go back to discussing kittens.