To be worried about the Ched Evans threads on here

[corkysgran]

Sorry but this does seem like a witchunt to me. Many of the posters (who have signed the petition) obviously have little knowledge of the case. At one point a poster said Sports Direct would withdraw sponsorship if Evans was NOT signed and immediately others were vowing to boycott. Laughable and shows the level of thought before clicking. Online justice and the court of public opinion, not for me. As for expecting football, an industry corrupt from the very top (Sepp Blatter) and inherently sexist, to show any moral stance, get real.

"People should be petitioning the professional body to amend its rules as to who can or can't play for a club."

It's not either/or.

Petition to the FA on exactly this is here and has 28,111 signatories.

Whatever job he gets whether working for FIL or whatever, ultimately it will not work out. It just can't. Unless he works alone in a back room without speaking to or seeing any members of public.

I would imagine the FIL would get bombarded with hate mail etc too.

The press will follow any progress re his whole life.

corkysgran, people on other threads were deciding to boycott Sports Direct and other Oldham sponsors who were condoning this well before the misunderstanding to which you refer arose. Why do you keep focussing on that one small error in the discussion which was quickly corrected to the exclusion of all else?

Why can you not accept that people are making decisions on the basis of very full and accurate knowledge of what happened in this case?

After seeing the threads that have gone on it does make me wonder how many people who against him playing again due it being high profile had taken there kids to see the latest transformers film starring a man who served time for attempted murder in a racial attack

One brother a rapist and the other tried to film it! Bet their parents and grandparents are so proud of them!

spence, Mark Walhberg pleaded guilty and spoke afterwards about his regrets and guilt.

He did not protest his innocence or, to my knowledge, contribute to a website or any other forum protesting his innocence and advocating harassment of his victim.

"After seeing the threads that have gone on it does make me wonder how many people who against him playing again due it being high profile had taken there kids to see the latest transformers film starring a man who served time for attempted murder in a racial attack"

More 'whataboutism'

And no, I haven't.

Currently arguing this with a plank on Twitter. Does anyone have a source link that he was prosecuted on his words and not hers please?

I think hes guilty I don't dispute that but even if he had apologised I don't think it would have made any difference to the petitions etc

The only place I've seen people whipped up into such a frenzy is on mn.

Really, OriginalGreenGiant? What sort of goldfish bowl are you living in? Do you seriously think that all of the 60,000+ people who have signed petitions are Mumsnetters? Do you not read the newspapers?

There are (IMO) many worse crimes where footballers (and people in other professions) have been allowed back to their job. Don't read much about those though

Are those cases where the people in question are refusing to acknowledge their crime not because they suggest that they didn't do it but because they don't think it should be a crime? Are they cases where they have condoned the setting up of websites vilifying their victims? Have the supporters of those people hounded their victim into having to change her address five times and her name and where the offenders concerned have refused to condemn that action or dissociate themselves from it?

Kato, the best source is probably the judgment linked to above.

I haven't RTFT but I wouldn't worry too much about Ched if I were you OP. I'd worry more about his victim who's been forced to move and change her name several times because of the disgusting way his family and friends are hounding her.

I'll ask again, as nobody seems to have picked it up.
Owen Oyston.
Did mn react in the same way? I would have thought his crime would be viewed with horror, what with her being underage.
He served twice as long a sentence as CE.

Ypu couldn't pay me to see a michael bay film

does "MN react" at all?

Aren't we MN'ers a collection of individuals with our own varied thoughts and opinions rather than one mass of consensus?

Slug while I agree with your appraisal of CE's supporters I think there is an element of cognitive dissonance in your own view. He has not got away with it, he has been convicted and served his sentence. He is now out on licence and on the sex offenders register. He will always be a pariah and decent people will want nothing to do with him. He is living with the consequences of his actions now. You say the police, courts and society don't bother to pursue rapists but in this instance they did amd he was rightly punished. He is a convicted rapist but is not responsible for all rapes.

"I'll ask again, as nobody seems to have picked it up.
Owen Oyston.
Did mn react in the same way?"

More 'whataboutism'

As he was released convicted in 1996 and served 3 years, and as MN was not founded until 2000, no.

I'd never heard of Owen Oyston back then. Things have changed a lot in recent times about rape and sexual assault, much as happened with greater awareness of child abuse during the 1980s after high profile cases and Childline etc. And now in this age of unprecedented access to social media and exposure to linked commentary and articles, we are much more informed and able to make our voices heard.

That's a good thing.

But all these 'what about' examples do make me hope the petition to the FA does bring about action on standards. They show how it is badly overdue.

Owen Oyston:

December 1997 Oyston lost his appeal against conviction at the Court of Appeal in London, when the appeal judges upheld the conviction and dismissed his appeal against his six-year jail sentence. He had to pay £100,000 court costs.[13] The Radio Authority then ruled that he was not a fit person to own a radio station. They wrote to the four stations in which he was known to have a controlling interest – The Bay (North Lancashire and South Cumbria), Radio 1521 (County Armagh, Northern Ireland), Goldbeat (Cookstown, Northern Ireland) and City Beat 96.7 (Belfast), saying that Oyston should not hold the licences. He was forced to relinquish control as each of the radio stations stood to lose their licence should he retained a controlling interest.[19][20] He also stood down as chairman of Blackpool F.C. In March 1999 the girl brought a civil action against Oyston, claiming £500,000 for psychological damage, which he settled out of court.[14] In April 1999 a parole panel rejected his application for parole because he had not completed the Sex Offender Treatment Programme from which he had been barred because he would not admit his guilt.[21]

MN wasn't around then. But it sounds like there was a similar furore.

BREAKING NEWS

Oldham deal off.
Reported on Sky.

I genuinely don't understand why people use previous issues and cases etc, as a reason to do nothing about this case.

Is that the argument here or am I misunderstanding it?

This fella got away with it, so everyone should?

Do they not get the concept of change?

I remember loads of stuff about Oyston at the time in When Saturday Comes and other media too.

i hope that is true eve