To be worried about the Ched Evans threads on here

[corkysgran]

Sorry but this does seem like a witchunt to me. Many of the posters (who have signed the petition) obviously have little knowledge of the case. At one point a poster said Sports Direct would withdraw sponsorship if Evans was NOT signed and immediately others were vowing to boycott. Laughable and shows the level of thought before clicking. Online justice and the court of public opinion, not for me. As for expecting football, an industry corrupt from the very top (Sepp Blatter) and inherently sexist, to show any moral stance, get real.

The FIL seems like an utter arsehole, why on earth is he so keen for his daughter to be with a convicted rapist? And to be associated with one himself. Surely it will start to impact his own business?

Most footballers go on to other work eventually, it's rare for them to entirely retire as young men. I can't see why Ched Evans is the only one who is uniquely incapable of retraining in another capacity.

CE is still serving his sentence - he has been released under licence and can be sent back to jail if he breaks the terms of his release. It's just the custodial part of his sentence that has been served.

CE doesn't think having sex with a very drunk, possibly unconscious stranger, procured by his brother, and taken to a hotel room in the early hours of the morning, all while being watched and photographed by his brother is rape. The law and the courts disagree with him.

Other "myths" about CE busted here: www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/ched-evans-has-served-his-time--and-other-misconceptions-about-the-convicted-rapist-footballer-9957849.html

Baby your comments are peppered with disablism but I expect that's pointing that out just confirms your opinion of MNers

Most footballers go on to other work within the game. Coaching, scouting, pundit etc...I'm assuming those wouldn't be agreeable either?

Boobz, in your situation I would suggest that your DH is more on a par with Clayton McDonald (who was acquitted) than Ched Evans.

There is reasonable doubt to believe that by your actions (inviting him to sleep upstairs with you) you were consenting to sex. The fact that you had sex with him again that same night that you do remember and agree was fully consensual, and went on to have a relationship with him all posits to reasonable doubt/innocence.

Ched Evans wasn't invited to the room by his victim. Told the police that he asked CM if he could "have a go on her" rather than his victim. Allowed his brother and mate to film the action. Snuck out of the room via the fire escape. Oh and his main defence when first questioned was that he didn't need to rape as he was a footballer and could "have any woman in the club" That led the jury to agree he was a rapist.

Would you want a convicted rapist coaching your child? one would hope he wouldn't pass a DBS!

He is not still serving his sentence though - out on licence still means out, just don't rape anyone else!

CE doesn't think having sex with a very drunk, possibly unconscious stranger, procured by his brother, and taken to a hotel room in the early hours of the morning, all while being watched and photographed by his brother is rape. The law and the courts disagree with him

His brother? What version of the case have you been reading

It would depend whether they involve contact with children etc, Nancy, as he's a convicted sex offender and barred from certain jobs. He might have to make do with opening a restaurant, becoming a property tycoon, or getting involved in any number of shady business opportunities which his FIL could put his way if he doesn't want to work in the family firm. I daresay he'll manage.

Filmed by his brother, not procured I would expect.

Will 'Surely it could be argued that because CM spent more time with the victim, it would have been more obvious to him that she wasn't in a fit state to consent.'

We can't know how the jury came to their decision, but I'd speculate that one aspect of it was that it was reasonable of him to think that, having spoken to him and gone back to his hotel room with him, she may have consented.

Conversely, CE gained access to the hotel room through lying and penetrated a woman who he'd 'met' only minutes before.

He also obtained a City and Guilds qualification in Painting abd Decorating whilst inside.

I have no issue with the rapist Ched Evans working again. I don't think he should be allowed to work in the Public Eye in a trade that decent young men would give their eye teeth to be a part of. He was in a privileged position and he abused that privilege.

A minor league player can be disciplined (yellow card) for kissing another player in an amusing attempt to diffuse an angry situation (Google Lee Mansell) but one that was convicted of rape gets 'given a second chance'? Twisted.

I've been lurking on these threads and reading the press.
I argued discussed the case with DH and found myself moving off the fence. He should not get the job.

I have sons. Older teenagers now but when they were younger they had a phase of being football mad. Without doubt young boys and men do look up to successful footballers and they are role models. Sex offenders are not permitted to work as teachers (and other jobs) but they are allowed to be footballers.

I think perhaps if he expressed shame and remorse and did something to publicly atone I would think differently. There must be something he could do to influence those targeting that poor young woman who's life he has ruined.

I think it would be difficult for him to coach, being on the Sex Offenders' Register (for 15 years I think). As it is, OA will have to demonstrate to the Probation Service how he will not be a risk to staff.

Many footballers become successful businessmen. I think that's what the FiL has offered to facilitate.

No, Boobz, you weren't raped, because your partner had reasonable grounds to believe that you were consenting.

Why on earth would you think you will be "hounded" for raising a reasonable question?

I've said this on threads before: If the rapist Ched Evans admitted his guilt, apologised to his victim and pulled his disgusting website protesting his innocence. If he found a way to show the world that he now understood what he did was wrong. If he worked tirelessly to combat the culture of sexual entitlement which I'm convinced led him to do what he did, then I would be more than happy for him to return to football. I would even be happy for him to play for my team.

Chances of that happening, however... let's just say unlikely.

I believe in justice.
I believe in rehabilitation.
I believe in second chances.
I also believe her.

These things are not mutually exclusive - but CE has made them so in this case.

Is there a clause in the footballer's contract that states that a contract with a football club comes with unfettered access to women's bodies?

I sometimes wonder if that is why there is so much cognitive dissidence amongst Ched Evans supporters. On one hand we all know rape is a terrible crime and I doubt any of his supporters would dispute that. But...he's a footballer... being a footballer means women on tap ergo the woman could not have been raped because footballers don't rape, they just just take advantage of the women offered to them even if the woman was offered by one of their male friends, not the woman herself. It seems that to many of his supporters it's inconceivable that any woman would refuse the sexual attentions of a footballer. Therefore there was no rape. [insert rape myth of your choosing here]

So many rapes go unreported. So many rapes go unpunished. So many women are raped and have to suffer the daily reminder that society, while saying that rape is a bad thing, in fact really doesn't give a damn about the missions of rape victims out there. So when one of the vanishingly few men who is actually convicted for the crime that so many of us have suffered, this is our opportunity to stand up in public and say No This time you will not get away with it. This time you will be forced to face the consequences of your actions.

If the police aren't interested, if the courts aren't interested, if society isn't interested in pursuing rapists then the only option I have is to boycott the sponsors of the people who see nothing wrong with rape.

Filmed by his brother, not procured I would expect.
oops yes this ^. Procured by his friend.

Exactly, Lonny, that's exactly the point. Until he admits his guilt, how can he begin to be rehabilitated?

People should be petitioning the professional body to amend its rules as to who can or can't play for a club.

Sure - although arguably the FA's current rules may prevent this, and I hope they are looking at them very closely.

But why does that have to be instead of petitioning Oldham direct and boycotting those companies that support them in proposals to employ Evans? Bearing in mind in particular that a change in the rules would take some time and almost certainly could not have retrospective effect?

Yes, filmed by his brother (or attempted).

Babycham, have you by any chance had a look at what is going on outside MN in relation to this case? The notion that concern about this issue is confined to a bunch of women on MN is just absurd. And, in case you hadn't noticed, a number of men on these boards have expressed very similar concerns.

if CE raped a man his football career would be over and there would be no need for petition or discussion...

To state this with that degree of certainty I assume this scenario has happened before then? Genuine question.