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to think the decision made by Oldham Athletic today is the proof that professional football in this country lacks any moral integrity whatsoever?

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LuluJakey1 · 07/01/2015 18:20

www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/ched-evans-to-oldham-athletic-family-will-pay-up-to-pave-the-way-for-deal-with-league-one-club-9961432.html

  1. Morally, what they are doing is disgusting. They are completely disrespecting women sexually assaulted and raped by men in giving this man a job where he will be a role- model, hero-worshipped and idolised by thousands of people; young men and boys in particular. The message here is the crime of rape is easily dismissed by a short spell in prison and then you can go back and do whatever you like. In many jobs where a person has committed a sexual assault or rape, they are not ever allowed to work in a position again where they have contact with young or vulnerable people. Why is Ched Evans different?
  2. His fiance must feel humiliated. He has not denied his behaviour at all- his denial is that it constituted rape. He has disrespected and humiliated her by tomming around with other women, doing deals with his friends to pick up vulnerable women, share them for sex and video each other doing that. Instead of having some self respect and dumping him, she has humiliated herself further by 'standing by her man' as he disrespects his victim even more by refusing to apologise . Now her own father is humiliating her even further by bankrolling the moron so a football club will take the risk of employing him. Eh? WTF?
  3. It is beyond my comprehension that her father has no respect for his daughter and is rewarding the man who has treated her so badly, and also encouraging her in a relationsip with a man who sexually assaults or rapes women. It says a great deal about the kind of family she has grown up in - women are clearly treated like second class citizens and the possessions of men. I think she is stupid but feel very sorry for her.
  4. Will he be accepted at other football grounds as a player? I expect so- none of them would have the guts to say he is unacceptable to them and take the consequences of standing up for what is right.
  5. Will he be cheered at Oldham? I expect so- few fans will be prepared to make a stand against the club. The culture of football in England is such that moral standards are low in the professional game.

It will all end in tears- I have no doubt.

I do hope Oldham will come to understand how appalling their actions are.

I think today is the day I am fully convinced that professional football has no moral integrity whatsoever.

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TheCraicDealer · 07/01/2015 19:58

I'm trotting down to William Hill tomorrow to put a tenner on Doncaster at the weekend; can you imagine being an Oldham player right now? I almost feel sorry for them.

I feel very strongly that individuals released from prison should be given every opportunity to return to employment, they should have that right. However, not just any job they fancy. Being a professional sportsperson and a role model is a privilege, not a right. You throw away any expectation that you can just pick up where you left off the moment you stick your penis into an unconscious woman.

Footballers in this country are pretty unique in regards to the influence and accessibility they have to vast numbers of impressionable young people, males in particular. You can't compare it to say, being a mechanic or a bin man or a car salesman. His sporting career should have ended the day he was convicted.

Blistory · 07/01/2015 20:01

Getting a little tired of hearing about Ched Evan's legal right to be employed by a football club. There's no such right. He doesn't have any legal right to a specific job and he doesn't get to claim any moral right to any employment - none of us have that legal right but I suspect most of us would assert a moral right.

He simply has a window of opportunity to reintegrate himself into society but unfortunately his attitude and behaviour continues to demonstrate that he remains a danger to society. I won't apologise for believing that a man arrogant enough to believe he is entitled to violate a woman's body and thick enough to not understand the violation is not yet ready to be reintegrated into society.

He himself has admitted that as a professional footballer he believed he could get any woman he wanted in a nightclub which is why football is exactly the wrong profession for him to return to.

The culture of football in this country and others remains problematic and we're expected to endorse or turn a blind eye to a young man, already on the Sex Offenders' Register, being encompassed once again by a culture that has done little to condemn sexism, racism, or homophobia. A culture that will idolise him simply for putting a ball into the back of a net. That's all that people are asking him to forgo - the opportunity to put a ball in the back of a net. Why does that matter so much to him ? Or is it that he genuinely believes or needs the adulation that comes with being a moderately skilled footballer player ?

It's not mob mentality for people to say that enough is enough - most of us can see that the legal system in this country has not yet gone far enough to support women, that we do not recognise or punish sufficiently the perpetrators of sexual crimes. There have always been activists who have campaigned for change and all social media does is allow those less active but equally horrified to have a voice. That doesn't constitute a mob but democracy. It's our society, we are allowed a voice in the moral conduct of society - the law serves to uphold that conduct - it is not the other way round.

It's alright to tell a young woman whose life fell apart when she was 19 that she matters. It is not alright, nor is it fair to Ched Evans, to send him the message that reintegration will happen without any remorse or awareness by him of his crime. His right to kick a ball does not supercede the right of women to be safe in his company. Once he demonstrates that to society, he can kick as many balls as he wants.

Is it a moral issue for Oldham ? IMO yes and one that finds them sadly lacking and that causes harm.

LuluJakey1 · 07/01/2015 20:02

Backforgood I wonder if those clubs not prepared to sign him will be prepared to ban him from their grounds? It would really be a moral stand if they were but I suspect they won't. They won't want to face the consequences and would probably be fined by the FA and lose money.

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Idontseeanysontarans · 07/01/2015 20:02

I know loads of OA fans, all of them are disgusted at this and won't be renewing their season tickets. DS and his friends have been quite vocal on the subject and rather foul mouthed.
DH knows one of the soon to be former sponsors through work, they will have to search long and hard to find a company in the same business who will deal with them.

Rebecca2014 · 07/01/2015 20:05

The Oldham chairman added that the decision to sign Evans had been taken "unanimously" by the Latics' six-person board.

He said three Premier League club managers had contacted him to offer their support - but did not name them.

MrsDeVere · 07/01/2015 20:06

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LuluJakey1 · 07/01/2015 20:06

Great post Blistory Totally agree.

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Blistory · 07/01/2015 20:12

And as ever, where are the voices of the other professional footballers and football managers ?

Wouldn't it be nice, if just for once, for the sake of decency, they stuck their heads above the parapet to say 'not in my name' ? Why is it left to women to start a petition, to stand down as patrons first, to take on the media spotlight ?

It's would be an incredibly powerful message if they raised their voices just once in support.

Sallyingforth · 07/01/2015 20:13

2) His fiance must feel humiliated.

I don't think so. She looks quite proud to be clinging on to her unfaithful, rapist boyfriend, and to be watching the continuing persecution of his victim. That shows what a grubby, misogynist family she has been brought up in.

However it won't last. She has shown that his behaviour is normal acceptable for a football 'star', and you may be sure that he will continue in the same way of life. Eventually she will have had enough.

floatyflo · 07/01/2015 20:14

Oh come on you lot! Another thread Wink Don'tcha know you can be sexually violent towards women, but if you are a good enough footballer don't worry about it!!

Icimoi · 07/01/2015 20:15

Gavlaa, there are different types of proclamations of innocence when you have been convicted of a crime. One is where you simply maintain that you didn't do it - for example, Stefan Kiszko, Sally Clark. In both cases, before their convictions were overturned they could not have been rehabilitated in the sense of acknowledging their guilt, but that would not prevent future employers from taking a considered decision that they in fact posed no danger to anyone.

Another is where you fully admit to virtually every detail of what is alleged against you, but refuse to accept that what you did was a crime. In those circumstances you cannot be rehabilitated at all, and potential employers really cannot be satisfied that there is no danger of repetition - especially if they take you on in a position where your opportunities of repeating the crime will be considerably enhanced. And that, of course, is Evans' position.

floatyflo · 07/01/2015 20:16

Wouldn't it be nice, if just for once, for the sake of decency, they stuck their heads above the parapet to say 'not in my name' ? Why is it left to women to start a petition, to stand down as patrons first, to take on the media spotlight ?

Agree agree agree!

BoneyBackJefferson · 07/01/2015 20:20

Looked at their fb page and oldham athletic community trust page, full of kids and (i assume) their ladies team, do they not realize that the rapist evans will not be allowed anywhere near children (male or female) with a conviction against his name?

VikingVolva · 07/01/2015 20:22

"I wonder if those clubs not prepared to sign him will be prepared to ban him from their grounds?"

No they would not be able to ban him once legally signed. And it would look like a 'witch hunt' if they did.

I don't know how much match day revenue OA gets from home matches. I should imagine that will drop considerably. Some Latics will take a break from attendance for as long as there is a rapist in the squad, and travelling fans will probably give it a miss too. And I doubt hospitality boxes will sell well.

whothehellknows · 07/01/2015 20:24

Yep, no more Sports Direct for me either. (please tell me Brantano doesn't sponsor assholes, or my kids are gonna be barefoot...)

DoctorTwo · 07/01/2015 20:25

I was discussing this with a young woman at work. She knew a little about the case and after another woman and I had filled her in she was horrified that any club would even think about signing him. After her swear filled rant I told her she reminded me of my youngest. I think she was pleased...

On every level it's wrong. Any man who believes it's fine to wank into an unconscious woman deserves to be a pariah. Hopefully, if he is signed by OAFC and picked to play, there are plenty of opposition players prepared to kick him to fuck.

Gavlaaa · 07/01/2015 20:27

Icimoi- society will attempt to rehabilitate you regardless, that was my point. We are unable to choose which offenders we can rehabilitate, every offender on release is given the opportunity and support to reintegrate back into society. Without this, they are more likely to reoffend.

I do actually agree with you in many ways as I said in my first post. Morally, it's very hard to watch a convicted rapist be put in a position where he may be seen as a role model, and can earn a lot of money, where as the victim has had her entire life ruined. I am merely stating facts about how our justice system deals with offenders when they are no longer incarcerated, and definitely do not want to anger or upset anyone x

LuluJakey1 · 07/01/2015 20:29

Viking That is the deal with Mr Massey - he will subsidize any lost profits from anyone boycotting or loss of sponsors. So Oldham lose nothing financially. Fascinating that the loss of their reputation would not stop them signing him but the risk of lost revenue was a risk they would not take.
Once agan money over integrity.

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AnyFucker · 07/01/2015 20:33

I presume Evans will have to be omitted from the Latics players regular visits to the children's ward at the hospital next door.

Icimoi · 07/01/2015 20:35

Is that definite, Lulu? On the other thread there was something saying Oldham or Massey had denied it.

msrisotto · 07/01/2015 20:36

It's an insult to women. A big 'fuck you' to us all.

I completely agree with you OP. Powerful, rich, corrupt Men getting their own way without giving a fuck about anyone else. Makes me sick.

ApocalypseThen · 07/01/2015 20:36

Another is where you fully admit to virtually every detail of what is alleged against you, but refuse to accept that what you did was a crime.

Not only that, my understanding is that the decision to charge him was not based on an allegation from the woman involved but on his own description of his actions that night. He has neither the morality of a toddler nor a twitter of wit.

Icimoi · 07/01/2015 20:38

If they are relying on Massey covering their losses, they are exceptionally stupid. It won't last if or when his daughter realises what a cheating scumbag CE is, or if OA decide to boot him because he's useless or too much trouble, and they won't get their other sponsors back easily even if they do chuck him out.

Sallyingforth · 07/01/2015 20:39

It's probably not definite yet who will be supporting Oldham's decision and who isn't. I think if we wait a day or two it will soon become clear, and then we can make our buying decisions.

LuluJakey1 · 07/01/2015 20:41

Icimol- it has now been confirmed by the Oldham board.

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