Just gave away a puppy (new owner did not pay)

[maggieandannie]

My shitz-zu had a beautiful litter, the puppies are shitz-zu schnauzer crosses. I have found all of them great homes, I did not advertise it was through friends and people through work. So I have a link to each and every pup!

I know a lovely lady from dog walking, and since my dog was pregnant she let me know her sister would love one.

I reserved a boy for her sister and when puppies were 4 weeks old she picked her little boy. Her sister asked was I charging and I said yes I am charging and would offer her sister a discount so pup would be £100.00; told me she would let her sister know.

Fast forward to yesterday she picked up her puppy and left me a present, a gorgeous box and inside of the box was a bottle of very expenisive gin/soda and a lemon and a card. I thought how nice what a lovely lady! I opened the card and there was no payment.

I want to send her sister a text, letting her know how grateful I am for the present (I did include a puppy pack for this lady, with blanket, teddy, vet details, groomer details, and a bottle of Prosecco), however I was charging.

Would I be unreasonable asking for my money, I feel embarrassed to have to ask her.

Please help

Did you get the money in the end op? You said she has said she will post it through your door, but not that she has done so.

OK OP! Own up.

You are single handedly responsible for all puppy farms, underage dog smuggling, shite awful dog owners, in fact every ill that befalls any dog in the UK, no, in THE WORLD.

You are an utterly depraved individual and need to be reminded of this in every post.

Regardless of the fact that you didn't come asking about breeding, but only wanted to know if you were BU to insist on payment for a puppy that had been safely delivered to a presumably healthy bitch.

I too am glad you got it sorted

What a stupid post Nomama

Did anybody say that the OP was single handedly responsible for all puppy farms, underage dog smuggling or shite awful dog owners? Don't think so.

That's almost as stupid as saying that it isn't possible to stop theft worldwide so we may as well all nick a bottle of wine from Sainsburys while we do our shop because hey, we won't stop other people nicking will we.

Every single halfwit who breeds their dog is directly contributing to the death of a dog or puppy somewhere in the UK. Can't really get away from that. We have enough dogs, we do NOT need more.

Totally agree, TooOld.

OP is naive to think she can post about a topic as emotive as dog breeding, and not get some pushback.

SOME pushback!

OPs thread was jumped upon like some crusaders bandwagon had come to town.

Every single halfwit who breeds their dog is directly contributing to the death of a dog or puppy somewhere in the UK

It is phrases like that that prove me right when I say that the OP has been held responsible for all ills - TooOld, thanks for proving my point!

Why did you hand the puppy over without getting the money. You wouldnt hand over your house keys or car keys if someone didnt pay. (I know a dog is a living animal and i know about puppy farms etc)

I meet people like the OP in RL every week. Because they know I love dogs they seem to love telling me about the puppies they are going to have and they are normally surprised by my reaction.

" I'll not vaccinate them and sell them cheap to make sure they go" is the most common phrase I hear.

People pay a lot of money for a pedigree dog, but sadly where I live many of those people think they will get their money back by breeding from their dog, often many, many times. A dog groomer I know goes to Disneyland every year on the proceeds of her Christmas litter, and has told me so.

I think everyone agrees that puppy farming is horrific. What people need to wake up to is the "naice" person in your street who is also irresponsibly breeding and adding to the huge problem we have with overbreeding dogs in this country.

And if anyone is looking for a cute shitzhu cross puppy there is a litter in my local pound this week, as well as a litter of black labs, a litter of springer crosses and all the older dogs who were dumped before Christmas. I'm guessing none of them will be vaccinated either.

I realise this thread has gone way off topic, but I sincerely hope that maybe even one person reading this would think again about using their dog to make money. And yes, the OP was about money, not dogs.

Completely agree, bubble. I rang the RSPCA about something else this week and the agent was mistaken and thought I wanted to put my dog in their rescue centre. 'I'm sorry, we're already overflowing due to xmas'.....

It isn't just at xmas, either :(

Far too many unwanted dogs. Far too many people giving away dogs if they're not immaculately behaved. Far too many dogs up for sale on gumtree/preloved as their owners got them on a whim/didn't realise they'd need walks twice a day.

Let's help these dogs first before we 'manufacture' new ones.

Why is it a "crusade" if people who know about dogs - including people with current veterinary experience and expertise - post about real problems that exist, and their possible solutions?

A bit more "crusading" like this would be very welcome, IMO.

Well Nomama your post made ne laugh!

Did she give you the money ?

I know nothing about dogs, but I know about vet costs and I don't see how any 'breeder' can actually make money if they look after the puppies properly.

I also don't understand how, decades after Darwin, anyone can think it's a good idea to restrict a gene pool. I guess the fact that people are willing to pay for an animal of a particular 'pedigree' allows breeders think it's ok to breed that pedigree. From a genetic perspective it cannot possibly be good for the animals.

Why do MNers so often say that "cutesy, designer breeds" will fill up rescue homes? I would love to adopt a smaller dog (when my circumstances become more appropriate) but they all seem to be full of staffies, greyhounds, lurchers, boxers and German shepherds. Why is that? Where are all these cutesy little dogs that everyone is saying are in rescue centres?

queenbean if you are in a position to adopt I would suggest posting in the Doghouse section where many posters will be able to help you. And believe me, there are many,many small cutsie dogs coming into rescue, every day.

I'm not in a position to get a dog just yet but am researching now so that I'll be ready when I can do it.

Just find it amusing when someone comes on and says they want a small fluffy dog, and without fail, some MNer comes on and suggests they adopt a staffie. And that anyone who wants a small dog is a terrible person because they will definitely, absolutely end up not being able to cope and it will go back to a rescue centre. So they should just adopt that staffie now even though they don't want it and it's not suitable for their circumstances. But just because a judgemental MNer tells them they should.

Can I ask a serious question about adoption? The last few days, partly as a result of this thread, I have looked at the websites of many places that have dogs available for adoption. Many dogs are not suitable for families with children. Those that can live with a child state that the child must be older than 12 or in a couple of cases 10.
Where should those of us who have younger children, would like to get a dog and would like to consider adoption, go?

Cardamomginger - Try some of the smaller independent rescues. Depending on the breed you are looking for. If it's a collie, try Wiccaweys. If it's a "general dog", try Hope rescue (South Wales), Many Tears or a number of other ones around the country.

Quite often the independent rescues have different adoption criteria to the "National" rescues and adopt on a case by case basis. HTH.

I don't know how the situation can be so different in the UK; in Australia, there are tons of small-breed dogs in rescue. The only thing is, they're adults, not puppies.

I think the problem is that every dog is cute when it's a puppy. People don't think through the implications of the dog getting full-sized and then hanging around for another 10-15 years.

Those of us who recommend getting a rescue dog aren't suggesting you grab whatever size/breed of dog is available. Of course you shouldn't. Do your research about what kind of dog you want (size, temperament, coat, activity level) and then look for a dog that fits your needs, fully grown and already in rescue. Because when you buy a puppy, that puppy takes the place of an adult dog of the same breed that is already sitting in rescue. And which is then more likely to be put down.

"Every single halfwit who breeds their dog is directly contributing to the death of a dog or puppy somewhere in the UK" presumably that also applies to professional breeders? After all for every puppy that is bred regardless of where that is a dog dies somewhere, no? (Hmm)

Most rescues won't rehome to families with children, so rescue is unsuitable for most.

And to the poster adopting from abroad, surely by doing that you are also directly contributing to the death of a dog in the UK? (Confused)

Not strictly correct WannaBe, although children can be a factor in adoption - the Dogs Trust don't have a blanket policy on adopting to people with children, as every thing is done on a case by case basis. Same with many smaller rescues.

Proof of DT policy here

Buying a dog from a breeder doesn't contribute directly to the death of a dog. Abandoning your dog at a shelter does. The only people responsible for the deaths of those dogs are the ones that gave them up in the first place. End of.

That's as silly as saying by having a baby you deprive a child in need of adoption a home.

Personally, I have had both adopted and deliberately breed dogs and there's pros and cons to both. The most common factor I found for success though was getting a dog as a puppy, otherwise you inherit all the previous owner's bad training, abuse, and mistakes.

When DD gets older we'll be going to a breeder to get a dog, because I want a big dog that can double as a guard dog, and for that I need one with a good disposition where I know the medical history and temperament of the parents. I don't want to play gotchapon with that.

YABU to call a dog a little boy. It's an animal, fgs, not a person.