Just gave away a puppy (new owner did not pay)

[maggieandannie]

My shitz-zu had a beautiful litter, the puppies are shitz-zu schnauzer crosses. I have found all of them great homes, I did not advertise it was through friends and people through work. So I have a link to each and every pup!

I know a lovely lady from dog walking, and since my dog was pregnant she let me know her sister would love one.

I reserved a boy for her sister and when puppies were 4 weeks old she picked her little boy. Her sister asked was I charging and I said yes I am charging and would offer her sister a discount so pup would be £100.00; told me she would let her sister know.

Fast forward to yesterday she picked up her puppy and left me a present, a gorgeous box and inside of the box was a bottle of very expenisive gin/soda and a lemon and a card. I thought how nice what a lovely lady! I opened the card and there was no payment.

I want to send her sister a text, letting her know how grateful I am for the present (I did include a puppy pack for this lady, with blanket, teddy, vet details, groomer details, and a bottle of Prosecco), however I was charging.

Would I be unreasonable asking for my money, I feel embarrassed to have to ask her.

Please help

It would be lovely if the irresponsible actions of the OP could be offset by at least one rescue dog being adopted as a result of this thread.

If dogs are too big or too time consuming, how about a rescue cat instead ? www.catchat.org Dexter is an absolute stunner !

One thing I don't understand is, the breeders of labradoodles and designer pets are selling for the same price as pedigrees. Do the buyers not realise that these deigned dogs are mongrels?

They are mongrels technically, but most dogs breeds are the result of deliberate breeding. I would not be surprised if some of these breeds get marked as an official breed later down the line when there's a significant number of them. They do look very cute, I'd be tempted to get one if I didn't have my heart set on another breed.

That said, supply and demand. High demand with limited supply means people can mark their dogs as high as people are willing to pay.

Mongrels aren't healthier than a pure breed done right, you just don't know the history. By history I mean a genealogy report of both parents and knowing their lineage temperaments, not home circumstances. A German-Shepherd mix can still inherit hip dysplasia from their parents. Small dogs still live longer than big dogs regardless of breed. Some mongrels get lucky, some don't. It's a mixed bag.

Personally, I wouldn't adopt a dog in my current circumstances because they are a lot of work and can be a bigger commitment than dog bred from a reputable breeder in a loving environment that you can then raise yourself. If it was a choice between no dog and adopting, I'd choose no dog. As it is, we're not even getting a puppy until DD is around 6-7 years old, because even a breeder's puppy is still hard work.

Dh & I have fallen in love with the gorgeous Abner, so you never know!

Dh & the dc have been keen on the idea of a dog for some time; I'm less enamoured (lifelong catlady).

The 'oldies' site is my official compromise. No daft puppies, no action by us that encourages any form of breeding, & no dog that doesn't already need a home.

we're seriously discussing an older rescue dog now.

They must be more careful in the UK than they are here in the US...it's a rare dog that I've seen in the rescue that says it's unsuitable for small children.

I think there are far too many generalisations on this thread. My last 3 dogs have all been rescues, but this time we had to think long and hard about what to do. We couldn't find what we needed after a year of searching and eventually went to a reputable breeder. He was vaccinated and we weren't allowed to take him til he was ten weeks, all checks done. Our needs were very specific as he is a medical alert dog for my daughter so he had to be the right dog for her and us. We also had to consider DS who had an almost overwhelming fear of dogs so a lot of work was done there too. Not everyone buys from a breeder just because they fancy a 'designer' dog.

This is an interesting article on the guy who bred the first labradoodles and his regrets.
www.globalanimal.org/2010/12/02/man-who-created-labradoodles-regrets-the-cross-breed/

I have no problem with anyone creating a new breed, why shouldn't they? But they need to stick to some basic rules:

• they need to have a clear purpose for which they are breeding
• they need a convincing rationale for why they have chosen the breed mix to achieve this purpose
• they need a convincing rationale for why they chose each specific mating to bring them closer to the purpose
• their breeding purpose and programme must be consistent with animal welfare, e.g. Not tend to reinforce existing health problems or introduce new ones. As standard all bitches and dogs should be health screened for all known problems of all breeds in the mix.
• they need to keep in touch with all offspring to gather information about their development otherwise they won't be able to accurately assess whether they are reaching their purpose or not
• they need to be realistic, which also means that nothing is a breed after a few matings, creating a new breed is a lifetime's work not just a matter of slapping a new name on a mongrel.

Overwhelmingly these breeders make idiotic claims, e.g. blahblahpoodle will be OK for people with dog allergies, or we mixed a husky, a malamute and a GSD to create a family dog (how? Through some kind of genetic miracle?). This tends to suggest that these people are in it for the money rather than the dogs.

Mrsd I was making the comparison between the claim made on here that everyone who breeds is directly responsible for the death of dogs in rescued dogs in the UK, the implication being that only a rescued dog is appropriate.
Of course it is a completely ridiculous claim, and of course you had to adopt the dog that was right for you. :-)

i hope OP donates all the proceeds to a dog rescue charity because the chances are some of these mutts will end up dumped in rescue once the puppy cuteness wears off and the reality of owning a dog kicks in.

OP is another irresponsible BYB. I can't feel sorry for her that there has been a miss communication over the £100. Quite frankly it will cost some poor charity many times that amount to clear up her mess sooner or later.

What proceeds are those forever? If you rtft you'll see that was covered a while ago and ascertained that after vets and care etc there were no proceeds.

ravenAK Abner is beautiful, if you adopted him you might be transformed into a dog lady! It would be so heartwarming if this thread did indeed result in someone adopting an older dog.

I personally am in love with Andy

since he popped up on my Facebook a few months ago. I want him, but my old boy is struggling with health problems and hasn't got long left in the world, so I need to give him all my attention. If Andy is still needing a home when my boy goes, I'll snap him up in a shot - but I'd much rather someone took him home now. Breaks my heart that such a gorgeous older dog is living out his life in a rescue home when he could be enjoying cuddles by the fire

My other favourite is Dobi - first saw him on the website when he was a gorgeous pup. Can't believe he's still there a year on, and someone has missed out on his puppy years.

As an aside, I was looking at gumtree last night and found an advert for... ... Springerdor puppies. (Shock) it doesn't bear thinking about.

I adore springers and Labradors, but a combination of the two (shock)

Until the OP comes back and tells us her vet bill for the puppy checkup was close £600 I will be unconvinced that she is not comfortably in profit over this 'accident'.

Looking at gumtree the prices seem lower than that now although stil upwards of £350 in most cases. Tbh I am more (shock) at the amount people are asking for kittens. £120 for "adorable kittens" who the hell pays that? assuming they're moggies as no mention of breed.

I'm a bit confused by the tangent this thread has gone on.

If I understand correctly, are people saying that dog breeders shouldn't exist? That we should just have rescue dogs?

Is it really so wrong to select a specific breed which works with your set up as a family in terms of temperament, size, medical needs (allergies etc) & seek out a responsible breeder?

Or are all breeders irresponsible by default? ie it is inherently wrong to breed any dog, even just one litter?

We have a viszla who is a sheer joy to have as part of our family. We researched the breed & breeders & waited v patiently to find the right one for us. I was astounded how many "breeders" were trying to sell pups that very clearly were not pure bred viszlas (and still continue to meet other owners on walks who think they have a pure viszla - not that I would ever say so). I am now wondering if others consider us dreadful people who have contributed to all kinds of awful practices.

The OP talks about the "discount" she gave for £100 pup, no doubt the rest were sold for more.

I'm glad you got your money OP, and agree that accidents can happen, but please do the responsible thing and don't breed from your bitch again.

Ah yes there were quite a few pug puppies for £850 or so. (Shock)

"YABU to call a dog a little boy..."
I tend to agree with you Icimoi. It grates on me every time I see an advert for pups which says "boys" and "girls" instead of dogs and bitches. Screams BYB to me.

Totally agree with the "rules" Booboostoo. Breeding for any other reason to those mentioned (eg "my girl is so cute and it would be cruel not to let her have puppies") is hardly responsible IMHO. Back yard breeding is for all the wrong reasons.

Ah, Oldies Club, I had my Staffie from there. Lovely calm and loving dog, he is afraid of people sneezing and is very obedient. Dog breeders ( except those maintaining good lines of important pedigree breeds) make me very sad. Their actions directly impact on rescue cases and there are still lots of unregistered puppy farmers too.

As somebody who knows the ins and outs of breeding, £600 (if that is the figure OP actually made from sales of the pups) would hardly cover the cost of food and cleaning products alone. Usually though, people selling pups will have other expenses, vaccinations, KC registration, health tests for the parents prior to breeding, checkup during pregnancy and scan, worming, flea treatment, health checks for the pups etc. Genuine breeders actually make no money selling dogs, in fact most make a crippling loss, especially those passionate about the betterment of the breed who attend shows. Showing dogs is costly, transport, hotels, food while there all adds up and most are not a one day thing. Specialist grooming products cost insane amounts.
Good breeders also do not let pups leave until 13 weeks of age, the extra few weeks with their parents and siblings is actually very important to having a well adjusted dog. They learn a lot in those weeks and need to be disciplined in a way they understand, when mum has enough she will tell them, when they get too rough she will tell them. It makes for a much more well rounded dog in general. People who sell at 8 weeks tend to have realised how messy puppies are and how much the cost of food is mounting.

While I don't think OP should have another litter, unless she plans on dedicating her time and money to the betterment of a breed, I've never known anybody take advice from a forum before. People tend to do what they like anyway, so the welfare of the dog becomes the concern.

OP please leave her longer before you breed again, if you really must do it at all.

I don't think anyone I'd saying breeding should be outright banned. I think personally it needs to be strongly regulated as inexperienced people are irresponsibly breeding random mixes of breeds they know nothing about because they can make up some fucking ridiculous cutesy name (fucking cockerpoo fgs) and flog them for hundreds of pounds. Because, let's face it, it's very obvious that that's exactly what most puppy breeders (experienced or not) do it for. The profit. Look on Gumtree. In my area there are: Doberpoo/Doodleman puppies, schnoodles, puggles, sprockers, cavachons-then hundreds of ads for older pups that people have bought home, got fed up of and can't handle, or have grown out of the lively cuddly stage and pissed too many times on the carpet. It's too much. Most of these gumtree level 'breeders' have plonked together any old combo that's fashionable with no health checks to the parents, no temperament assessments, no new home checks. The supply of puppies well outweighs the demand very clearly. Litters are often dumped and end up in rescues.
Breeding is expensive and can be complex. It should be licensed.