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to feel that I can't bear to stay, but can't bear to leave because it would hurt our DS?

87 replies

NeutronBombe · 23/12/2014 10:08

My partner and I haven't exchanged a kind word in a year. We don't sleep together any more, we don't socialise together unless we have to. At this point we are just enemies who have a kid together.

My partner is bitterly jealous of anyone I or our DS become friendly with, and although there's no violence within our family, we are subject to emotional abuse, withholding affection, horrible accusations and verbal bullying unless everything goes the right way.

Once, in front of our DS who was five at the time and old enough to understand, I was threatened with murder. Not just "I could murder you" in a joking way, in case that's what you're thinking. More like "If I could get away with it I'd stab you to death". That's just one example.

When things go wrong we get days of abuse, but when I say that this behaviour is abusive and unacceptable, I just get told "You need to forgive and forget", and "you make too much of these things" and "it was just that one time".

We get bullied like this: if I do something which upsets my partner, then DS can't go somewhere or do something he really wants, because that's the best way to hurt both of us.

I have no social life and few friends because my partner gets so upset if I'm out in the evenings. On the rare occasions I do go out (work Xmas party which I was really obliged to go to) I am bombarded by text messages asking when I'll be home.

But all of that I'm used to. I'm resigned to it. I love my son and I was resigned to the idea that I, personally, wouldn't have a happy life for the next ten years or so (until he goes to university).

But I came here to tell you about an incident that has made me reconsider staying together for the sake of our child.

Our son has a best friend, we'll call her Kate, but he can only see her in school because my partner has come to hate her parents for various reasons that come down to paranoia and/or jealousy. One weekend I dared take him over to their house for a party. I insisted, against my partner's wishes. We were bombarded with messages the whole time we were there. What time are you coming home? You said you'd be home by now! (at the time we said we'd leave, not the time was said we'd be home). And when we got home we had a terrible row.

The atmosphere continued to be horrible for the next two days just because we'd been to Kate's. "Why did you go? I hate [Kate's mum and dad]!". "Just because you hate them, doesn't mean we have to hate them! Kate's nine years old, do you hate her too?" "Yes!" And then on the third day I get a call from the hospital. My partner had got into an altercation outside the school gates and with Kate's parents. And thrown a punch. My partner had to be physically restrained by other parents, with our son and Kate's three-year-old sister crying. There were twenty witnesses, and every one of them says my partner started it. There's no grey area here. One of the people defended themselves with an umbrella and my partner was bleeding profusely. There was a trail of blood visible in the street. My partner nearly lost a finger, and had to have surgery and stay overnight in hospital. The first time my child ever had to go a night without both his parents at home.

I had to placate the other family and convince them not to take legal action.

After this incident, I told my partner I couldn't take it any more. I remember yelling "you could have been arrested, you could have been gone to jail!".

I said I felt we had to break up. And that prompted some repentance, at least on the surface. We agreed that my partner would go to anger management/therapy.

But almost straight away, the process was undermined.

The first therapist sent my partner home with a note saying they couldn't continue treatment for ethical reasons. Because when asked "why are you here?" the therapist just got a shrug and "I dunno, my partner is making me come". Then we found another. There was one session. Then that therapist moved offices and it was "too difficult to get there on public transport". Then there was another, who managed one session, then apparently said to call back in December. And when called back in December, was on holiday. I don't believe a word of this, honestly.

The thing is, this assault happened in April.

The christmas/new year season has made me remember that we had a deal. And it got broken, not overtly but with lots of little betrayals, over the better part of this whole year.

If I didn't have a child, I would happily never see this person again. I would start my life all over again in an empty room with a mattress on the floor and be happy. This person is a stranger to me. A hateful stranger. But on the other hand we both love our child and I want him to have a stable life. But on the other other hand, what messages are we sending him about relationships? I feel like it's a terrible, insoluble puzzle. Can't bear to leave, but I will never be happy if I stay. But to stay is to give in to the abusive behaviour and teach my child that that's an acceptable way to live your life.

OP posts:
AskMeAnother · 23/12/2014 11:43

If this is real and not just a 'lets test mumsnetters, see how they react', you and the child need get out. You owe it to your child to get him out of there as soon as possible. Its your responsibility as his parent to do that.

ILovePud · 23/12/2014 11:53

This sounds like a horrible situation, what do you think the benefits are for your son from staying in the relationship? You say that your partner loves your son, do you feel he's be safe with him or her if you had joint custody? The incident at the school sounds horrendous but something about it does sound a bit strange to me, it sounds like your partner was quite badly injured, more so than Kate's parents. It seems as though you weren't there and I'm wondering how you know that 20 witnesses have said it was instigated by your partner, have they each told you personally? If so then hopefully that means you'll have a good support network of people at school who have insight into the situation if and when you leave. If not then I'm just wondering if there was more too this, are the school aware of the fight? What is your partner's account of the incident?

ILovePud · 23/12/2014 12:00

I have to say the fact that the OP has posted as 'my partner' throughout does seem a little contrived to me. It may be because the partner is female and OP is male and feels like he may get a negative bias in responses from women. However they haven't been back on and they have no posting history, if I'm wrong I'm sorry but something about this feels off.

Summerisle1 · 23/12/2014 12:00

if I do something which upsets my partner, then DS can't go somewhere or do something he really wants, because that's the best way to hurt both of us

I can see absolutely no evidence from what you've written that suggests your son will be other than deeply damaged if you stay with your partner. Leave. Before your son's life is made even more miserable. You owe it to both of you.

SunnyBaudelaire · 23/12/2014 12:02

or it could be a female couple....

Littletabbyocelot · 23/12/2014 12:12

As a child I desperately wanted my parents to stay together despite my dad's unsafe behaviour. My mum stayed years longer than she should have because she didn't want to hurt us. She ended the marriage when I said something which showed how much I was taking in. That was 100% the right thing. Your son may want both parents together but he needs a safe home environment. Sounds like you need to ltb to give him that.

Number3cometome · 23/12/2014 12:14

ILovePud I agree, seems a bit set up to me and very carefully worded without and 'he / she / him / her'

I think the gender is besides the point, so I do hope this hasn't been posted to 'make a point'

BeyondTheTreelights · 23/12/2014 12:17

Not one single personal pronoun. I'm sure its intentional to "stop us judging on sex" but for future reference - it just looks dodgy.

But, regardless of sex anyway, you need to leave this relationship.

EhricJinglingHisBallsOnHigh · 23/12/2014 12:17

If this is an abusive mother the advice still stands. It's a massive regret that you didn't let the police take appropriate action when he/she assaulted people in the street as that would form a record of abusive behaviour.

BeyondTheTreelights · 23/12/2014 12:20

Am i correct that even if the victims didnt press charges for the assault, there will be some record of it (of interviews or whatever?)

Viviennemary · 23/12/2014 12:22

I am assuming your partner is the female. But abuse is abuse whichever sex is responsible. You should have custody of your son and get him away from this toxic atmosphere.

Hissy · 23/12/2014 12:23

Did you know how long it will take until you start to see real physical and psychological changes in your DS and in yourself after you leave this nasty abuser?

DAYS! only days - about 3 in my experience.

Get yourself out of this now, get your DS out of this abuse now.

Number3cometome · 23/12/2014 12:25

EhricJinglingHisBallsOnHigh

Not pressing charges is not up to the person who was assaulted. That went out ages ago. If a crime took place, and the police were called, then the prosecution would go ahead regardless.

CassieBearRawr · 23/12/2014 12:44

Gender doesn't matter in terms of who is in the wrong here - the abuser is ALWAYS in the wrong.

The only complication may be if the abuser is a female and the primary carer. (Although not entirely convinced of the veracity of the thread given the odd format and the post and run). Without a good log of evidence it may appear on the surface that there is little/nothing wrong - as in so many abuse cases! However - a violent, unprovoked attack on an outside party with multiple witnesses and a trail of abandoned anger management sessions might help tip the balance in the OP's favour.

OP - You must seek advice from a good solicitor as soon as you can. You and your son deserve better.

Aeroflotgirl · 23/12/2014 13:18

I do hope the other person does go to the Police and press charges, yes he/she needs to be punished, but also it would get him/her to away from you, so that you can start going it alone with your ds.

whois · 23/12/2014 13:23

If this is real (which it doesn't sound like it is) you were an idiot to placate Kate's parents. Should have let them press charges and you should log the anise you receive.

You're an idiot for staying when things are so bad. Make a record of all the abusive texts, log everything, you'll ave plenty of proof your partner isn't fit to look after the child.

EhricJinglingHisBallsOnHigh · 23/12/2014 14:10

had to placate the other family and convince them not to take legal action

I read that as the police were not called at OP's request

NeutronBombe · 23/12/2014 23:35

Just confirming a couple of things:

  • Yes, I'm male and the person concerned is my wife. I didn't post in a gender-neutral way as a wind-up. But I did want to take that element out of the discussion at the start and see how you reacted without gender in the picture.

  • This is all true, not the least bit exaggerated, I promise. To the poster who says it's curious that my wife was so seriously injured, that's because she was hitting someone who protected herself with an umbrella, as stated. Her finger was cut open to the bone. I saw it. She went home and made our son his lunch, dripping blood everywhere, and went to a doctor about an hour later. The doctor sent her straight to a hospital.

  • The convincing of the other family not to take legal action wasn't happening in a vacuum, it was part of the incentive to make my wife go to therapy.

Obviously there are two sides to every story. My wife would probably tell you I'm the abusive one.

I'm in a non-UK timezone. More later.

OP posts:
KarmaViolet · 24/12/2014 00:04

You've been in an abusive relationship for years, you're thinking about ending it, and you post "to see how we react?" Hmm Not sure about your priorities there OP…

This forum is predominantly used by women so most people will assume the OP of any given thread is female and heterosexual, i.e. a woman posting about a male partner. Revealing it's the other way round won't get you any different answers - what you have described is abusive; take your DS and leave. [So if you were posting hoping to gain evidence to damn us all as man-hating hypocrites - which some do - you'll be out of luck. Apologies for the cynicism but it does happen on here.]

If you're not in the UK, where are you? For the UK, MN has lots of expertise on DV shelters / helplines for both men and women, and on the legal system. I'm not sure you'll get quite so much expertise on here if you're in another jurisdiction but you never know.

I hope you're able to find a good resolution whether that's renegotiating with your partner or cutting your losses, taking your son and moving away. Good luck.

EhricJinglingHisBallsOnHigh · 24/12/2014 06:38

If you had posted those facts at the beginning, you would have a thread full of useful and relevant advice by this point.
What you now have is a thread full of advice aimed at a woman in the UK if she were in your position. Whether or not you will now get that useful, relevant advice I don't know, you have wasted a fair bit of goodwill by posting in that pointless way.

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 24/12/2014 06:54

Good point Ehric, I can't be the only one who now can't be arsed to give a more tailored reply because the OP was disingenuous at best and manipulative at worst.

Iggly · 24/12/2014 06:59

Your child is being damaged. Sorry there's no two ways about it.

You need to end it for your child. Think of the lessons he is learning about how to interact in a relationship and with other people.

Hissy · 24/12/2014 07:06

does it really matter? why can't we apply all situations where a child is at risk to this?

it's disingenuous to bail on someone who needs help here. it maybe that we find a posting style odd, but there's a child being harmed here that needs to be got out of this mess.

lets focus on that eh?

TripTrapTripTrapOverTheBridge · 24/12/2014 07:18

I agree.I think it was pretty obvious that the ops partner is female. As sad as it is,the 'partner' reference aside,the fact that the partner attacked someone at the school gates,had parents restraining them etc and they didn't call the police suggests a female.It's not often women try to restrain men or take them on,collectively or not,and also,sadly,they're more likely to take it lighter whereas if it was the dad doing it they're more likely to phone for help.

I understand the op 'concealing' as such because,actually,responses can differ online.I've many times seen abused men being asked what they've done/accused of abusing their wife with the idea that the wife must've been pushed to behave in such a way.Which really pees me off

I guess the op may also be ashamed as many men needlessly are,because of the way some see things.

However,it may not be genuine

Op,if it is,then please leave her,record everything and ensure your son is with you.She is not stable.

TripTrapTripTrapOverTheBridge · 24/12/2014 07:19
  • not often