To be getting fed up of these type of jumping on the band wagon breastfeeding threads

[sharonthewaspandthewineywall]

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FTR I'm very pro breastfeeding and think where children are permitted mothers should be able to feed their babies in whichever way they choose. But to me this is a completely different situation and this running to the papers screaming about the inequity of it all is pointless and doesnt actually help in cases where people do breach the equality act.
So AIBU?

Porto, are you a UKIP voter by any chance?

"I agree with rootandbranch"

As do I.

I view a breastfed baby with a babysitter kept in the dressing room as being like a heavily pregnant performer who could well go into labour. There'd be someone under 12 on the premises then too

"These threads are always the same. [bored emoticon]."

Don't let the door bang your arse on the way out then.

If a heavily pregnant performer went into a fast labour, would the venue lose their license?

Shame we're all arguing about the use/sight of a functional part of our bodies.. Functioning! Why the shame? Seriously!

Why the hell are people on about bottle feeding? If this mother said she wanted her baby on the premises as it wouldn't take a bottle off anyone else she would have the same issue.

Root are you being deliberately goady or are you just unable to read?

The examples I posted are not analogies, they are just more examples of how some parents today are showing entitlement.

I breastfed both my children, one was born in 1994 and another in 1996. My youngest I fed for over a year, so do explain to me how I see breastfeeding a baby as a fundamentally indecent, selfish and hostile act!

Not one poster on here was being nasty, at all!

Well done OP, you've created another thread where people can tell bf mums that they don't want to see them feeding their babies, that it's like masturbating/urinating etc. Very pro-breastfeeding that.

his has nothing to do with breastfeeding being thought of as something that should be hidden away.

This is to do with someone arriving at a venue to do paid employment and placing demands on the employer that had not been previously agreed, and then being affronted when told that the employer could not / would not meet those demands.

Exactly. Except that point is being disregarded by those who are trying to turn it into a "isn't it dreadful , another attack on bfeeding" thread.

"Well done OP, you've created another thread where people can tell bf mums that they don't want to see them feeding their babies, that it's like masturbating/urinating etc. Very pro-breastfeeding that."
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May i just point out, it was this bit i agreed with...

Bottlefeeding has made breastfeeding 'optional' and our culture encourages people to see how you feel your baby as nothing other than a consumer lifestyle choice. This results in some people and some businesses feeling entitled to discriminate against new mothers. After all, they don't HAVE to breastfeed do they? If mothers had no choice but to breastfeed, as in the past, we'd be forced to accept that mothers and small babies come together as a unit, and that excluding either means excluding both. Women shouldn't be discriminated against on the basis that they are engaging in a normal female physiological function.

It is the op who turned it into a bf 'thing' it's in the thread title.

"how I see breastfeeding a baby as a fundamentally indecent, selfish and hostile act! "

Well, if you think that there is any situation where just BF a baby when it's hungry is "inconsiderate" or "selfish" (and the mother is not in the middle of doing open heart surgery/landing a passenger jet/defusing a bomb at the time), then yes, you are portraying BF as somehow indecent or offensive, something where other people's revulsion towards it should be respected. Regardless of whether you BF yourself.

I'm very, very pro breastfeeding anywhere - it's a normal, natural function that should not offend any sensible person. I have on occasion leapt to the defence of a breastfeeding woman who has received disapproving looks.
BUT breastfeeding is not a free pass to take a child into places where children are not permitted. Attempting that, and making a fuss when refused, is totally counter-productive and just associates breastfeeding with awkward, entitled mothers.

"someone arriving at a venue to do paid employment and placing demands on the employer that had not been previously agreed, and then being affronted when told that the employer could not / would not meet those demands."

As I said above, I do kind of agree that this particular story isn't all about BF, but thinking about it more, it does say a lot about how we think about mothers with new babies - BF is just a visible sign of the mother and new baby being "a unit". It really doesn't seem to be a wildly entitled thing for her to ask for, IMO. Again as I said above, I can't see any actual concrete reason why the baby being there is going to affect anyone else, or the baby, or the employer (it's not like they're asking anyone else to mind the child, or bring it into the actual venue for the gig), it just smacks of the venue being "jobsworth" about it.

Well, if you think that there is any situation where just BF a baby when it's hungry is "inconsiderate" or "selfish" (and the mother is not in the middle of doing open heart surgery/landing a passenger jet/defusing a bomb at the time), then yes, you are portraying BF as somehow indecent or offensive, something where other people's revulsion towards it should be respected. Regardless of whether you BF yourself

Are you saying if the venue had said the baby could have come in and it had cried for a feed 10 minutes into the performance, the woman should have gone of and fed her?

I haven't created a thread for people to say they don't want to see breastfeeding I created a thread to debate the issue of parents kicking off that they cannot take their children in places they are not permitted turning it into an anti bf issue.
What else people contribute or read in to it is their choosing

There's a huge difference between knowingly letting children in and an unfolding medical emergency. Ffs.

bottle fed babies, tube fed babies , fully weaned babies none would be allowed..Under 12/18

(and I would think she was being ridiculous if she was just trying to bring a baby into a gig venue as a punter because they baby was breastfed, FWIW)

Beatrice you want some mustard to go with that beef?

"Are you saying if the venue had said the baby could have come in and it had cried for a feed 10 minutes into the performance, the woman should have gone of and fed her?"

No, of course not. She was doing her job, there was a babysitter. Presumably it was a situation where the baby could reasonably go X amount of time without a feed (duration of set) but would probably need feeding before/after. I have had two BF babies myself, I didn't need to be glued to them 24/7.

Well your post at 13:11 is complete bollocks then, leedy!

What I meant by it being "inconsiderate" to just feed a baby when it's hungry is a situation where the mother is actually there with the baby and not supposed to be doing something else at the time - eg the woman in Claridges in the recent story. There the only thing she was doing was "feeding where somebody might see her", and that's where I fail to see how she was being "inconsiderate" or "selfish". It's entirely reasonable to expect someone to not feed a baby immediately if they're not actually with the baby/at work, it's a lot less reasonable to expect someone to not feed a baby immediately just so people won't have to look at you.

Also there's a difference between leaving a baby for a short amount of time in which he/she could be reasonably expected to get by without grub and leaving them for a much longer period. It doesn't necessarily mean OH WELL SHE CAN LEAVE HIM FOR AN HOUR, WHY CAN'T SHE LEAVE HIM FOR SIX, THEN? I happily left my guys for an hour or two from when they were very new babies to go for a swim or whatever but wouldn't have left them for longer until they were a lot older.