To be getting fed up of these type of jumping on the band wagon breastfeeding threads

[sharonthewaspandthewineywall]

here

FTR I'm very pro breastfeeding and think where children are permitted mothers should be able to feed their babies in whichever way they choose. But to me this is a completely different situation and this running to the papers screaming about the inequity of it all is pointless and doesnt actually help in cases where people do breach the equality act.
So AIBU?

I notice nobody has actually replied to my point that THIS ALREADY HAPPENS (female artists, particularly touring ones, bringing their babies to the venue). It's not like it is an unheard of craziness that only this one mad woman thought would be possible.

I'd love to see someone tell Kim Gordon she can't have her kid backstage....

(obviously not an issue now as said child is an adult, but)

As long as they don't try to give me a breast milk transfusion

leedy Actually that's easily replied to: they have a privilege. That's great for them, but it shouldn't be expected across the board. It isn't doable.

It happens be case they probably have different licensing or external access or space to accommodate or more desirable clientele or better security

or they just take their chances.

I notice nobody has actually replied to my point that THIS ALREADY HAPPENS

OK I'll reply. The venue obviously allows it! How about that? Some do......some don't. And......?

or its within hours of trading where kids are permitted.

"I mentioned before that the dressing room will be potentially dirtier or colder or less safe.

staff areas like this are often half used as storage areas. There wouldn't be suitable disposal facilities for say nappies.

electrics may he haphazard (wires everywhere)

there may not even be facilities to heat kill or flood or tap water if venue provides bottled water to the room.

It may not have secure entrances or exits."

That one made me laugh. If a venue allows areas used by staff to be as dangerous as this, frankly they've got far greater problems than whether to allow babies onto the premises.

And people seem to be assuming that workplaces

• are child safe
• can afford to send ALL staff on a child safe guarding course, this would have to be done as children are in tow
• have rooms to house children
• that parents of said children aren't the type that let them run wild (yes we all know what I'm talking about)
• that is is safe for other colleagues and clients
• that work productivity would not take a nosedive due to distraction

amongst many many other things.

Also you do realise that making this a thing will render some people unemployable? Some people have legal restrictions on coming into contact with children and vulnerable adults. How would these people get a job?

"Some do......some don't. And......?"

Just mentioned it given that some previous posts seemed to suggest that letting it happen under any circs would be the downfall of Western civilization as we know it, an insane idea, whoever heard of such a thing, think of the health and safety issues, THE ROOM IS COVERED IN WIRES, etc.

I don't disagree.

doesn't change the licensing law though does it.

Everyone I know who saw the picture in front of Claridges raised their eyes heavenword and said "not again"

Lovely picture there of Portofino rigidly monitoring all her friends and acquaintances' reaction to the picture. Do people really going around telling people how they react to each and every news item they see? And, if they do, is there perhaps an element of confirmation bias in that those with prejudices seek out those with similar prejudices before airing them?

"can afford to send ALL staff on a child safe guarding course, this would have to be done as children are in tow"

Why on earth would they need to do that? Surely staff requirements would be equivalent to, say, a waitress in a cafe that allows babies in. It's not like the staff are being asked to mind the children, or even to be in the same room as them. Ditto the "work productivity" - if the minder and baby are in an entirely separate room, I fail to see how they're going to distract anyone. Also cannot see an 11 week old "running wild" or causing a safety hazard. You really seem to be reaching a bit.

Lovely picture there of Portofino rigidly monitoring all her friends and acquaintances' reaction to the picture.

Wrong. It just came up in conversation. Now you're being silly Ici.

"doesn't change the licensing law though does it."

Does the law explicitly forbid children being present anywhere in a building that's a licensed premises, or was it the venue's interpretation/own policy, though?

(genuinely curious, like, as I don't know)

I'll tell you what. If I let you in, you have to promise to pay my fine and find me a new job.

Come off it, Grays. I work in a large office. It really isn't unknown for the occasional staff member with a childminding crisis to bring a small child in. It is also not unknown for staff on maternity leave to come in to show off the new baby; or indeed for clients to come in with children. No-one goes into major abdabs about whether the premises are child-friendly, whether all staff have gone on child safeguarding courses, and whether there is anyone who isn't permitted to come into contact with children.

Because, you know what, if a parent takes a child into work premises, as a matter of law the child's safety and well-being is the parent's responsibility and no-one else's.

Does it matter?

they are not doing anything legally wrong. If you want to be able to take your kid to work then only accept gigs in places that will take you and the baby

I can't get over the horror of people discovering that babies and children aren't allowed everywhere.

is this really a surprise to you?

Do you ever wonder why there aren't kids crawling about under the butcher counter in tesco or doing their home work in an off licenses?

Portofino, so several people you know just happened to tell you in general conversation that they saw that picture, that each and every one of them then cast their eyes heavenwards, and each and every one of them said "not again"?

Somehow I don't think I'm the one who's being silly.

Hold on you people in the queue, I'm just going to close the checkout while I change my toddler's nappy. I'll be back in about 10 minutes, ok?

Yeah, right, that would REALLY work, wouldn't it?

Portofino, so several people you know just happened to tell you in general conversation that they saw that picture, that each and every one of them then cast their eyes heavenwards, and each and every one of them said "not again"?

You're so clever Ici - you got it in one. Clever girl.

Giles, you seem to be avoiding that question about your assumption that children can't be allowed near work premises unless each staff member has done a child safeguarding course. Why would that be?

We believe you, Portofino, thousands wouldn't.

We believe you, Portofino, thousands wouldn't.

I am SO relieved to hear that Ici