AIBU to believe in conspiring theorys?

[FriedFishAndBread]

That they never really landed on the moon, the rothschilds and their central banks in every country but two, jfk, Martin Luther King, the Whitehouse has actually admitted assignating malcom x, the pesticides they put in food to kill us and the flouride in water makes us stupid and is rat poised.

I may have been on ig to long... can I please have some common sense or is it true and the world's richest are out to get us and control us.

Why I think it is important is that if the story was made up to create an anti muslim agenda then there would be inconsistencies because its not the truth. If it is the truth and there are inconsistencies then it is due to multiple witnesses and stories.

You are misjudging me. I dont know the truth I just think the videos seen and things I have read tell me that something isnt right.

if I am wrong then I am wrong.

Yeah, I'm looking at the spivy site too. I got sidetracked by Obama’s birth certificate thing.

First thing I notice is this argument.
how can the Obama birth certificate state he is ‘African-American’ when the term wasn’t even used at that time?

Which might be a qood question, but I have the birth certificate open in another tab and it doesn't say African-American as far as I can see.

Am I missing something or is this just some guy waving a bottle of beer and saying "an.. an another thing!"

Sorry I haven't read the whole thread- but what's the conspiracy theory re sandy hook?!

bottleofbeer you said Who compared Hillsborough to 9/11? confused

You did.

On the one hand the government are so clever that they covered up a fake moon landing for decades which involved silencing 1000s of people in various countries.

But they make loads of really simple mistakes about rank, marital status etc etc that can be spotted if you read all the tweets.

Does anybody think theres some cover ups going on with a certain well known family and paedophilia?

His rank was Fusilier. That is the same as Private, or Trooper, or Kingsman. It means he hadn't been promoted.

The initial reports called him Drummer - that was his 'trade' when he was in the RRF band. The first official photo released showed him in his Band Uniform, which is probably when the assumption was made (Confusingly, Drummers in the Guards Regiments bands are called Drummer as a rank, rather than a trade). His Infantry job was as a Gunner, which means that on ops he would be the person in charge of the machine gun when locked down in an Armoured Fighting Vehicle.

Spivey could have easily found this out if he had bothered. But he's a loon, so assumes he is right even when he doesn't understand his subject. MH issues are strong in that one.

Eve so how long does it usually take for somebody to get promoted? how long was he in the army for?

No. I didn't. I used Hillsborough as an example of government cover ups. I certainly didn't liken the two events

Eve do you genuinely believe spivey has mh issues? and if so is it because of everything on his website or just the rigby stuff?

Bottle, I think I and others must have misunderstood your meaning when you said

And the families heard a lot worse about themselves and their lost loved ones than that.

Promotion depends on trade, ability, actions. There is no definite timeframe, less Royal Military Police who come out of Training as Lance Corporals.

I was promoted for the first time after only 18 months. My DH took 5 years. Infantry soldiers can take up to 12 years (if you aren't a LCpl by then you can be 'brown lettered' which means you get a thanks but no thanks letter and a years notice to discharge). I would say the average for an Infantry soldier would be 6-8 years if they are a middle ground steady soldier.

You can lose time if you have disciplinary action taken against you, if you 'fail' promotion cadres, if you are downgraded due to illness or injury or if you only do your job adequately or less than adequately. Also if you spend too long in a job that doesn't push you or isnt 'sexy'. For example an Infanteer who works as the Regtl PTI, is only ever in the gym training other soldiers is likely to be promoted slower than an Infanteer that goes on all the Operational tours, volunteers for exercises and expeditions, puts himself forward for training courses and extra trades, gets his educational quals and so on.

And yes, I think Spivey has MH issues. I think that comes across very clearly in all his ranting, his numerous emails, tweets, FB posts and DEMANDS of the establishment to ANSWER ME DAMMIT

You know what to be fair I have found spivey rants and goes on and in the past he has actually mentioned a comment I made where I didn't agree with something he wrote which didn't make sense and he appeared to become angry..However I can't deny some of the things ive read have made me question the official narrative especially with the rigby case.

Why do you think rigby didn't get promoted after six years?

Vixxen
if you look at Spivey Obama birth certificate stuff he has got a lot wrong.
As BOB says on the certificate there is no mention of African American

He claims Kenya didnt exist until 1963, however Kenya was only known as East Africa Protectorate until 1920 and the became Kenya Colony

He claims that Kapiolani maternity & gynecology hospital didnt get that name until 1978 however a quick google says that it has that name since 1931.

So thats all Spivey so called facts wrong. I wouldnt put much reliance on anything else he has to say.

The point about conspiracy theories is:

They are created for a reason

The same way the alien abductions conspiracy wasn't about the government hiding ETs but about the government setting tinder under the media to make the public believe they might exist.
It was successful deflection for all the top secret military development occurring at that time.

Why do people want to believe the unbelievable? I think Mulder had a poster with the answer to that.

David Icke is a clever guy. History spurts them out every couple of generations. He's probably deluded, but he makes you think, (and laugh) and that's the best achievement any conspiracy theorist can hope for.

Addendum: I don't believe in dinosaurs

What is the article on obama called do you know?
I have only really looked at his rigby and royal articles.

Rigby was probably just an average soldier. Nothing wrong with that, he just wasn't in a particularly interesting or sexy job. He probably would have got it in the next couple of years as long as he kept his nose clean. From what people who knew him have said he was a good recruiter, liked talking to people, but that doesn't necessarily mean he was good on the ground or outstanding in the field.

I just googled Obama Birth Certificate Spivey. You can find links to both the long and short birth certificates easily on line as well.
Information on the hospital is on the wikki page of the hospital. There is a timeline.

I found the spivey thing about Obama's birth certificate fascinating - solely because of how easy it was for others to refute all his allegations. That immediately puts him into the category of people who didn't do sufficient research, or didn't want to, so the rest of his witterings are likewise suspect.

The USA is still deeply racist and misogynist, so there are plenty of people who wouldn't want a black or a woman as president.

If you read the comments below the Spivey Obama article, it says that it was not Spivey's original info and was sent to him and he doesn't have time to check everything sent to him.

There's a word for people who publish as fact things they haven't checked.

Yeah, you did misunderstand me. Majorly.

Remember the BBC and the Lord McAlpine allegations they broadcast and for which they had to pay damages.

Ok. You can see how it happened. Can you clarify what you did mean?