Ofsted Inspection - Is this unreasonable?

[BertieBrabinger]

How would you react if you were asked by a teacher at your DC's school to keep them out of school for the day of the inspection in case they were a disruptive influence? Is this something Ofsted recommend?

It's a bit weird, right?

Assuming this is a state school (sorry, skimmed thread), then it is irrelevant what the child's behaviour is like and whether it's due to diagnosed or undiagnosed SN.

Telling a parent to keep their child off school constitutes an illegal exclusion.

If the child's behaviour is so challenging that it cannot be managed in school, then the school need to refer him to outside agencies, apply for statutory assessment and/or additional support or exclude him. Legally.

The saddest think I ever heard was my son coming home excited because his teacher was observed in an OFSTED inspection and she had 'let him' stay in the class... He had never 'been allowed before'

His teacher was horrified when I had told her the next day how happy she had made him - I thought she was going to lynch his previous school

He has ASD and challenging behaviour but in a school with the right attitude he has recently led a Governor Learning Walk... As his head said 'if the worst happens we will deal with it - there is nothing to hide or fear from the decisions we make about his support' and apart from saying (with no warning to the head) 'Right... Let make one thing clear. I have special needs, autism actually and I need lots of support' it was fine and the Governor thought that this was not covered on the training shared that he too had needed to support at school and they were 'where they needed to be have a good tour'

OP it's not standard procedure - please do raise it, perhaps mention it to portage too

Sorry, caught up now. Ignore me.

It is a pre-school? Pre-schools do not get notice of Ofsted inspection, they just turn up unannounced.

I'm not going to ignore you tethers I've just caught up on this thread and was about to say I agree with you

No child should be removed from the classroom for OFSTED unless they would usually leave the class at that time.
My DS also has SN (awaiting assessment for official dx of AS). He leaves the class for various support groups in literacy, ELSA time and nurture group. He also leaves the play ground at lunchtime for lunchtime club.

One of our pupils where I work threw a chair at the inspector! We still got graded outstanding for behaviour etc. it's not what the pupils do - it's how the staff manage and react that counts. (It's a SS btw!)

OFSTED do inspect private schools. They inspect about 50% of independent schools in the country, these being schools which are not members of associations.

Behaviour is always presenting for a reason in children. Always. It may be for attention, for sensory difficulties, or for gain. But there's always a reason, and when you pin point that reason it is fairly easy to put measures in place to help them.

Sometimes it really isn't. Sometimes the reasons children misbehave are so horrendous that there's no easy fix.

I didn't say an easy fix, I said easy to put measures in place to help them. These can take years to work but as long as they're in place, you have no reason to fear ofsted

Do pre schools can more notice for OFSTED than schools?
I know the pre school at DD's old primary school (independent) made no such alternative arrangements for any of their children.

We were told at 12:30 noon on the Tuesday and OFSTED were in at 8am the following day. There is very little notice (I though weekend notice wasn't given any more) and ime schools simply don't have time to organise very much "extra" especially things like trips out and special intervention gorups removing children from classes. If they do have them they are often asked about them, how long they have been going on, often selecting children to talk to about them, etc.

It is definitely NOT normal practise in the schools I know of, and definitely did not occur at either of the inspections I have been involved with at my school - regardless of the amount of advance warning.

You should have an OFSTED questionnaire - you could address this there, but tbh it is probably most likely to be seen if you send the information direct to OFSTED itself.

Do preschools have the Parent View webpage too? Another place to highlight your concerns.

You appear to be giving Ofsted way more credit than they deserve. Schools have everything to fear from Ofsted. Teachers have everything to fear from Ofsted. No teacher wants a kid kicking off in their lesson in front of an inspector, and I doubt that the kid receiving some anger management sessions or whatever would alleviate that fear.

OFSTED inspects under 5 provision, including in independent schools.

I had something like this with my son pre diagnosis though although he was suspected ASD and school literally hated having him there excluded him every day age 6. I collected one day and DS said he had hada lovely day and he had a teacher all to himself and his own table and did some nice work. Next morning I approached teacher in class(knowing full well the ofsted lady was also in classroom) and asked in a loud voice if the 1:1 that my son had recieved the day before and that the school denied my son needed and stated they couldn't provide was actually staying AFTER ofsted had left or was it ok purely for show....... Queue teacher panicking and ofsted lady asking for more info and head appearing in doorway. They excluded da permanently a few weeks later

'I don't get to play SN card, just get the shame'

lijkk - can you expand on that?

I was asked to keep ds at home during an often inspection. I did keep him at home.... I wish I knew then what I know now. With hindsight I am very angry with myself.

Please, please do what you would normally do. If that is taking your ds to school, take him to school.

If possible, please also look for another school for your ds, one which can educate him without not wanting to hide what actually goes on from ofsted.

Because Nobody else but me has a child who is merely a brat.

parentview.ofsted.gov.uk/

Grays, nobody assumed the child had special needs it was bought up as a possibility because the very first response the OP got was offensive and unhelpful. It was then pointed out that it was just possible the child may have some kind of SEN (which the OP has now confirmed).

As such, what the school are doing is unhelpful and shows they are not confident in meeting the child's needs.

Nobody has said that children cannot be just disruptive for other reasons.

What worries me more is that if you were asked this by the teacher what happens everyday, if there is an issue then it should be dealt with, there will be 30 or so children in the class - doe it mean that normally lessons are disrupted.

The saddest think I ever heard was my son coming home excited because his teacher was observed in an OFSTED inspection and she had 'let him' stay in the class... He had never 'been allowed before'

Good grief, how long has your son been at the school and how many Ofsted inspections have they had?

I didn't post on MN when asked to keep DS1 at home during an Ofsted inspection.

I sat a home, ashamed, relieved that I didn't have to battle to get him in for a couple of days. Relieved that I wouldn't receive a phone call asking me to collect him because he had run out of class and was refusing to communicate.

I am no longer ashamed. I am now angry that a state school thought they way they treated my DS was appropriate. I wish Ofsted had seen the way they handled him. It didn't matter, they didn't great a good Ofsted anyway, but my DS was part of that school community, and Ofsted should have seen what was going on.

Needless to say, I found another school for him. When that school was inspected, the staff sent DS to talk to the Ofsted inspectors about reading. DS had no diagnosis, and there was no SN card to play.

With hindsight I am not at all ashamed of DSs behaviour. I am in fact very proud. He was telling us the best he could that that school was not where he should be. I have appologised to DS for sending him there. It was a mistake.

OP, children who can be disruptive deserve a good education, as do their class mates. If this cannot be provided with a particular child in the class, Ofsted should know.

Dear me ljkk, managing to agree with th ONE poster who was offensive and has had a post deleted. Well done.

You DO know that developmental disorders exist yes?

You are also presumably aware that some children have shit lives too.

Having labelled your child "a brat" (lovely) I wonder which of the above he/she falls into.

All children can be difficult sometimes but they are rarely ongoing brats without good reason. I wonder why your child is "a brat"?

One way or another, my child as a brat is obviously my fault, right?

Either I'm a terrible parent (witness many many many MN threads about those) or he has undiagnosed SN (and I'm a very terrible parent not to get that recognised).

So that's how it is when you have a brat and not a special label. You only get the shame. One way or the other. That is how most of society works. No helpful labels, just shame.

Iljkk

My son has been labelled a 'brat' with and without a diagnosis (late diagnosis) but whatever I have never played the SN card.

Sorry to poster up thread as forgotten your name but my son has had 3 primary schools and he has seen OFSTED inspections in each one plus at the last one there was a number of LA inspections and a head teacher interviews I later found out he was isolated for.

Every school he has been in the head left, followed by the SENCO - a co-incidence I am sure

This does happen I believe. Which is totally and absolutely out of order. Report them to Ofsted. Otherwise what on earth is the point of a rating if it's obtained fraudulently which this school is attempting to do.

A private pre-school can be inspected by Ofsted. Our private nursery was. They got no notice for inspections although I know the latter two before we left were prompted by parental complaints so it might be different in those circumstances.