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Aibu too not understand the reaction of the Ferguson Michael Brown in the USA

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Natashathemum · 26/11/2014 18:32

My Dh thinks that it is a disgusting example of racial inequality in America. But i think having read a lot of articles/news that the police officer was only protecting himself. Although it is unfortunate that someone so young died.

However Dh feels strongly it is disgusting racism. He called me blind and crazy (lighthearted). Aibu for thinking this.

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BackOnlyBriefly · 27/11/2014 14:42

This prejudice is both genetic within whites... really?

VivaLeBeaver · 27/11/2014 14:47

For people saying the boy wasnt pointing the gun/waving it about, etc here's a still from CCTV.

Aibu too not understand the reaction of the Ferguson Michael Brown in the USA
UncleT · 27/11/2014 14:49

Yes, really - comments about genetic predisposition to certain behaviours in particular races. And yet, that poster will continue to whine about being picked on and portray themself as a champion against racism. Racists should be picked on, really - nothing wrong with calling out racism. It's been a good while since I have witnessed hypocrisy of anything like this staggering level on here.

creighton · 27/11/2014 15:01

go onto the jezebel website and see the video of the police officer killing the 12 year old if you are so inclined. then read the comments. I haven't looked as I don't want to see a child being killed.

Tinkerball · 27/11/2014 15:05

Because MNHQ might have emailed you about upsetting posters but what has race got to do with it unless you are accusing MNHQ of racism to, preferable treatment towards White posters?

FishCanFly · 27/11/2014 15:07

Whats there not to understand? Look what happened in London when police shot Mark Duggan

Nicknacky · 27/11/2014 15:18

callani in that hypothetical situation there would be no time for a warning. You point gun at cop, you get shot. Why would they warn him and give him time to shoot?

Callani · 27/11/2014 15:31

Except Tamir Rice didn't point a gun at a cop, did he? In fact he didn't point a gun at any person at any point in time as the CCTV video shows. He was guilty of pointing a toy gun in general and doing a lot of other things that normal 12 year old kids do. Nothing that he did excuses his murderers.

Lethal force should only ever be used as a last resort - I think it is beyond tragic that people can think this shooting of a child is justified and I thank my lucky stars I am not a black mother in America.

scatteroflight · 27/11/2014 15:36

AnotherEpisode - "you could just, as you say check you privilege and act accordingly". What does that even mean? How can "checking privilege" work in the practical event of a white, inherently racist, cop dealing with a black suspect?

Maybe Officer Wilson did check his privilege? Maybe it went like this: "I'm white, this guy is black, I inherently hold more power over him in society, therefore I shouldn't shoot him, oh he's running towards me and he's a scary monstrous black man, I better shoot him".

If whites are inherently racist and nothing can ever be done about it other than pay lip service to "checking privilege" then black people are in a lot of trouble and need to start campaigning to have whites removed from any sphere of influence over them.

Nicknacky · 27/11/2014 15:43

Callani lethal force will only be used in extreme circumstances. British officers can useless lethal and deadly force when necessary, remember Lee Rigby's killers? No warning was given to them if I recall correctly as they approached the car and were shot. They luckily? survived.

And you don't have to be pointing a gun at someone's head to be dangerous.

VivaLeBeaver · 27/11/2014 15:47

Browns blood is on the inside of the patrol car. Backing up the officers account (and witnesses) that Brown was leaning into the car punching at him and trying to get his gun. That's fairly violent and intimidating.

Then he'd run off, turned round and come back and at the point of the fatal bullet was very close to the officer and advancing. I'm sure it was going through the officers head that if Brown had tried to get the gun once he'd try again.

angelohsodelight · 27/11/2014 15:47

A few weeks ago elsewhere in America a black man shot a white police officer dead. No rioting, looting, no protests. Hmmmmm.

MrsDeVere · 27/11/2014 15:50

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Nicknacky · 27/11/2014 15:52

creighton you never elaborated on how a officer would bring a person down with unarmed combat and his baton?

MrsDeVere · 27/11/2014 15:53

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Nicknacky · 27/11/2014 15:55

Well, it wasn't an accident iyswim? He intended to shoot him and has been exonerated so I can understand why his conscience is clear.

Why does he necessarily have to feel guilt? I'm not sure how I would feel if I took a life but if my own life was at risk and as a result the other person died, then I might well not feel any guilt.

Nicknacky · 27/11/2014 15:57

Off hand I'm not sure about America, but it was an imitation firearm and possession of this in a public place is an offence in Britain.

Not exactly a plastic piece of rubbish that kids used to play with.

creighton · 27/11/2014 15:58

nicknacky, sweetie, we have moved on, you should too okay?

tinkerbell, mnhq was responding to a thread about race where I had posted my views, the other posters complained and mnhq sent me a message saying that people were upset about my views and asked me to refrain from being horrible.

MrsDeVere · 27/11/2014 15:58

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dreamingbohemian · 27/11/2014 16:00

Okay what is more likely:

that an unarmed man attacked a police officer with gun in hand, for no reason, knowing there was a 100 percent likelihood of getting shot, and then once shot kept attacking him?

or that a police officer panicked and shot a man who he perceived as more threatening than he actually was, for whatever reason?

Nicknacky · 27/11/2014 16:02

creighton oh we have moved on have we? What subject are we discussing now?

MrsD like I said, I don't know how I would feel, but if I felt I have done what I could and was exonerated then I may not feel guilt. Probably plenty of other emotions, but not necessarily guilt.

dreamingbohemian · 27/11/2014 16:02

Exactly, Mrs DeVere

you know who doesn't feel remorse? sociopaths and stupid people

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/11/2014 16:02

I think it's dreadful when anyone loses their life like this

I think there are far too many guns in America, in both law abiding and criminal hands

And I think it's sad that those who say "if he was white he'd still be alive" "it NEVER happens to white men" and so on haven't even mentioned Dillon Taylor, James Whitehead and so many others

Tinkerball · 27/11/2014 16:03

Creighton bring td by MNHQ that "people were upset by your views" isn't quote what you said the first time though is it...when you stared they had said "white people were upset", whole different context and meaning.

Nicknacky · 27/11/2014 16:04

So now I'm a potential sociopath or stupid? That's nice.

Read what I said. Plenty of emotions if you took a life but guilt may not be one of them.