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To think that a 9 year old...

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MadHattersWineParty · 26/11/2014 10:09

Should be sleeping through the night in their own bed?

I work as a nanny/PA for a woman who is often away on business trips. She's a single parent and has a nine year old daughter, with whom I have a great bond.

When my boss is at home the daughter sleeps in bed with her. Her own room is mainly just her dressing room. The issue is at the moment I'm staying over while her Mum is on business in the US, and she will not sleep unless she's in with me. I am a light sleeper and she's a particularly fidgety one who takes up a lot of space, and besides that I would prefer to have a bed to myself after a long day. She's obviously not a baby but she becomes unsettled when I try to encourage her to sleep in her own room, cries and says she misses her mum. The mum has also specifically asked me to let her sleep in my bed so she's not lonely during the night.

It's been a week now and I'm shattered. I've hardly had any sleep. I am being very patient towards her. I don't want her to be upset. She's absolutely fine during the day, it's only night time when the problems start. I've tried being with her in her own bed until she falls asleep but she will always without fail wake up in the small hours and come looking for me when she finds she's alone. Then she'll have a bit of a cry so we'll have a cuddle and she gets back to sleep but I don't. I have PA duties during the day before I pick her up from school so it's not like I can get any rest then.

Not expecting any magic solutions, but any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I don't have DC so I guess I want to understand if this is normal, what others would do in this situation. Thanks.

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PoirotsMoustache · 26/11/2014 11:36

I think you should start teaching her that when you are the only one there, she sleeps in her own bed. Put her to bed in her own room, and sit with her till she falls asleep. Don't allow her to fall asleep in your bed any more.

And when her mum gets back, you need to make it clear that what she does is completely up to her, but you are not prepared to share a bed with a child any longer.

Would she go back to her own bed if you gave her a quick hug and sent her on her way when she comes in during the early hours?

marnia68 · 26/11/2014 11:38

Don'T!
You are putting yourself in a very vulnerable position!

marnia68 · 26/11/2014 11:39

by co-sleeping with her, I mean

GoodKingQuintless · 26/11/2014 11:39

To be honest, I would start looking for another job, if I were in your shoes.

Marcipex · 26/11/2014 11:43

You need to be very firm. Quiet but definite.
Talk about tonight in advance, she is to sleep in her own bed. She's not to get in with you.
Stay calm when she cries. Make it plain you're not cross with her, but this is the new arrangement.
She's got into bad habits,but she can get out of them.

It's so out of order to expect you to co- sleep, that I hardly know where to start.

wigglybeezer · 26/11/2014 11:54

My friends daughter had similar issues and she compromised by letting her sleep in the same room on a sofa but not in the bed. Is there room for a temporary bed?

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 26/11/2014 11:56

No, but only because you're an employee, nothing wrong ime with a 9 year old sleeping in with a parent if everyone's happy. How many posts have been on here about adults not being able to sleep because their dp is away?

MadHattersWineParty · 26/11/2014 12:00

Thanks for all the responses. It's hard to know what to do. All the mattresses on the beds are doubles, so not easy to find space to move them around. I have tried a quick hug and taking her back to bed but she'll get upset and then it takes ages for her to settle again. I've tried having a proper chat with her and explaining that in order for me to look after and have fun with her during the day, I need to be able to relax and sleep at night. She seems to accept it then at sleep time it starts all over again.

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vienna1981 · 26/11/2014 12:06

My nephew is nearly ten and frequently co-sleeps with his mother. Father ends up in nephew's bed. I despair.

Marcipex · 26/11/2014 12:09

Difficult for you as she sounds extremely indulged.

BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack · 26/11/2014 12:18

My DS is 12 (yes 12!) and sleeps with me still. Not for the want of me trying to get him in his own bed but nothing works. I despair too but it's easier for me to accept it and let him sleep with me than spend hours cajoling him, me getting cross, him ending up in tears and me feeling shit!

However, sleepovers, residentials etc he is fine - he just needs to be with somebody!

deXavia · 26/11/2014 12:19

I travel a lot with my job so I do sympathise with the kid and a degree to the mum - we often do "sleep overs" when I get home after a trip but they are one offs and agreed before anyone heads to bed - not an everyday occurrence.

But to be honest I don't think its your place - nor do I think you actually can - break such a deeply established habit. As unfair as it sounds - I would think you laying down any sanctions against what her mum allows will backfire on you. Out of curiosity - do you know why other PA's left? Maybe this has been an issue that has caused others to leave before you.

I think you have to contact the mum explain that the current situation is not working, you will only cover urgent items for the next five days in order to get some rest due to the lack of sleep at night and that she needs to resolve the situation before you baby sit again. Obviously that leaves you with another five days of this madness but I can't see what you can do if a talk won't work, nor will taking her back to her bed.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 26/11/2014 12:24

Can she sleep on your floor on an air mattress?

drbonnieblossman · 26/11/2014 12:30

In your role as nanny, it's inappropriAte and whilst you are sole carer for the child you need toke the change.

With regards to mum and daughter sleeping in the same bed, it's not odd or inappropriate. It clearly just suits them to gave that arrangement. Perhaps if the mother is away with work often, it means they get extra time together, albeit sleeping. They obviously have a lovely bond.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 26/11/2014 12:30

The mother is being unreasonable. She wants you on day and night duty. It is too much to ask of you.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 26/11/2014 12:32

Oh and your employer saves on kennels too with you presumably tending to the animals as well!

MadHattersWineParty · 26/11/2014 12:47

I think it's just something that she's always done. It's difficult for her to accept why I am not happy with it. I don't know what's normal at nine (previous jobs I worked with younger children) but (and she's a lovely kid) she doesn't have a lot of empathy for the fact that I need my space at night, but most of all I just need sleep, or I'm not going to be able to function. I don't think the mum has considered it might be a problem for me as she does it every night she's there, but by the same token I haven't said it's causing problems either. I don't really get paid a night rate- it's hourly during the day- stops at a certain time and restarts in the morning. I enjoy my job in normal circumstances and have a good relationship with mother and daughter.

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Optimist1 · 26/11/2014 13:03

In spite of your great bond with the daughter and good relationship with her mother, the facts are simple :

You are working 24hrs a day and being paid only for the daytime hours.
This arrangement deprives you of sleep (and impacts negatively on your effectiveness being nanny and PA during the day).
Not only do you have to share your bed with a child, but with two dogs!
You have no personal time while your boss is away.

By accepting the above you're de-valuing your personal worth and letting your boss get away far more than the job deserves. Time to talk things through with her!

WelliBeDamned · 26/11/2014 13:50

Oh for gods sake, she's 9 years old not two. Get a lock for the bloody door if you have to. Put her in her own bed, have a little chat that you both need your own space and she needs to stay there. If she's afraid of the dark get her a lamp or a nightlight and leave the door open.

WelliBeDamned · 26/11/2014 13:53

BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack, you allow your 12 year old son to share a bed with you? Unless he has special needs, I'd be very concerned that a 12 year old boy needs to sleep with his mummy. No wonder we are raising a nation of wimps. Are you still going to let him pop into bed with mummy when he's 16?

Nicename · 26/11/2014 13:58

Not on your nelly. Its totally inappropriate.

The mum is keeping her 'baby' close and isn't doing her any favours at all. A mattress on the floor in the same room at most.

Purpleroxy · 26/11/2014 14:02

My almost 9yo sleeps in his own bed in his own room. But if dh goes away for the night, both kids are desperate to sleep in bed with me. They love it and would sleep in every night with us if allowed so I don't think her setup is odd.

However I do think she's asked you something a bit unreasonable. Hasn't the 9yo got a childrens bed that could be moved in to the room so you could share a room,not a bed?

MadHattersWineParty · 26/11/2014 15:32

WelliBeDamned, I can barely imagine the fallout if her mum got home and found a lock on her bedroom door! It's part of my job to respect/go along with the parent's wishes; she's not my child (I like to think if she was I'd have no truck with this at night time!)

It's not possible to put a mattress on on floor- all the beds are doubles and there's no room.

I know when I was young if I woke up in the night I knew not to disturb my parents unless I was ill or had had a terrible nightmare or something- I'd switch on a bedroom light and read if I couldn't sleep, but I know every family is different.

I'm going to try and chat to her again before bedtime but I am starting to despair! I need a few hours relaxing and then I want to get into a nice big cosy bed without having to share it with a fidgety child/being on edge about a tearful night time visitor. Of course I can appreciate that she does miss her mum though.

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Nicename · 26/11/2014 15:37

What will mum do if she meets a lovely man and he wants to stay over or move in together?

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 26/11/2014 15:46

Nice- it will be up to the mum to address that if and when it happens, it's no one else's business really.