To never want anyone to champion Jack Monroe again?

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After what she has tweeted about David Cameron. here

Like him or loathe him to describe the way he talks about his deceased son as 'misty eyed' and used for political gain is disgusting.

The greatest loss any of us can imagine is the loss of a child. Shock horror, even politician have real feeling. It's just awful that she would say that about another parent.

I don't care what she can do with a bloody lentil. Something's are just too low.

The whole 'a girl called Jack' thing.
What that all about?
She's a woman. Called Melissa.

archery and rabbit

she has a point. however- cant you see that her way on communicating it was a massive fucking insensitive OWN GOAL?

people are not thinking "ooooh. look at that lovely JM defending the NHS, and defending all the other, non-millionaire disabled children and their carers who rely on it

people (well me actually) are thinking- "why make digs at the fact someones child died to make your political point"

and even worse- some shit bags are thinking " oooh great - she has fucked up and now I have carte blanche to make comments about her lesbian single mother-ness"and some trolls are saying "Oh why dont i make a comment about her child dying" being the nasty twisted fucks that they are

like I said, massive mistake massive own goal- feel sorry for her but I hope she learns to think beofre she speaks

Absolute bollocks. If I had to make the choice of being wealthy but watching my disabled son suffer and die, and being broke on benefits with a healthy child I would choose benefits any day.

raltheraffe except that's not what she was referencing, and it's certainly not what's on offer to the many disabled people and their carers who are living in poverty, and have every expectation of their income and the quality of their medical care decreasing, with the attacks on benefits and the attacks on the NHS from DC and his mates.

Being a carer of someone with disabilities when you are a millionaire and when you are not a millionaire has similarities (you will love and grieve for your relative whatever your income) and has very big differences (you can't afford respite care, you can't remember when you last had a full night's sleep, you can't afford to eat properly, you look at the future and wonder how you will pay your bills if your caring responsibilities mean you lose your job, you go into overdraft to pay for the funeral, etc etc).

I'm sure David Cameron is devastated by his son's death.

But I would really rather he stopped channelling the ghost of Ivan at PMQs or at any other point whether it might be considered that he was dodging a question about policy.

Is that too much to ask?

I am definitely not a Cameron fan. Can't stand him. BUT if you have a disabled child, as he did and I do, you do spend a massive amount of time dealing with the NHS. And for all its faults, you feel hugely, hugely, hugely grateful to the many wonderful people you meet who work for it.

But he doesn't, though, does he? Or if he does, he has an incredibly strange way of showing it. If the staff he dealt with are still in the NHS, they will be struggling with inadequate staffing, budget cuts, inadequate equipment and poor working conditions. I'd love to know what they think about his gratitude.

The people who think she was making digs at the fact that someone's child died can't read. That's hardly JM's fault.

Like I said, I don't like her. But she is 100% right in this instance.

Criticising someone for talking about his family's terrible personal tragedy just shows you don't have a shred of human decency.

Why do people persist in misrepresenting the situation in this way? Neither Jack Monroe nor anyone else has ever criticised Cameron for talking about his family's personal tragedy. They criticise him for using it, very deliberately, to fend off justifiable criticism of what he is doing to the NHS and the disabled. Misrepresenting what is happening is effectively colluding with Cameron in this incredibly cynical exercise.

I shall watch with interest what happens the next timed Ed Milliband mentions that's he is the son of immigrants, to see if he is accused of shutting down the immigration debate.

you can't have it both ways

Misrepresenting what is happening is effectively colluding with Cameron in this incredibly cynical exercise.

Exactly.

archery please do not tell me what it is like to be a disabled person. DH and I are both disabled and we are registered as carers for each other.

DH is losing his sda as that is being turned into esa (and we will not get the income based bit) and we are both being migrated from dla to pip.

Yes it sucks, but we have a healthy son and I would rather deal with all these benefit cuts than watch my son suffer and die with millions in the bank.

Only in your very twisted world.

I am definitely not a Cameron fan. Can't stand him. BUT if you have a disabled child, as he did and I do, you do spend a massive amount of time dealing with the NHS. And for all its faults, you feel hugely, hugely, hugely grateful to the many wonderful people you meet who work for it.

What's that got to do with it apart from the fact that the staff performed well?

Thanks are due to them, not to anyone else.

cannot believe someone has the audacity to tell a disabled person what it is like to be disabled. Thanks for that archery.

I have lost a child. Jack doesn't know what she is saying, for whatever reason she is saying it.

However, it has gained her lots of publicity!

rabbit

i can read, thanks for the veiled dig saying I cant- really makes me want to listen to what people say when they insult me, oh yes

but when I read her post I literally winced- and maybe people that are wincing are not necessarily very receptive vessel for listening to your message

another Tweet from her:

"And that his experience of caring for Ivan was not comparable to experiences of others, many of whom are now victims of welfare cuts. End"

Absolute bollocks. If I had to make the choice of being wealthy but watching my disabled son suffer and die, and being broke on benefits with a healthy child I would choose benefits any day.

Another clear misrepresentation, raltheraffe. JM compared Cameron's experience of caring for his son with the experience of other people caring for disabled children who, very often, are the direct victims of welfare cuts - they can't work because of the need to care for their children and, unlike Cameron, they can't pay for carers. If you had a disabled child and had to make the choice between being a multi-millionaire and living on benefits, which would you choose?

Meechimoo, what is this obsession of yours with JM's name? In law, people are entitled to choose what name they go by. It's none of your business or anyone else's, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with the valid point she has made.

I shall watch with interest what happens the next timed Ed Milliband mentions that's he is the son of immigrants, to see if he is accused of shutting down the immigration debate

Don't watch wetaugust do it.

No one is stopping you.

I am from a working class background and I understand the fears of people who are afraid that an open-door policy on immigration drives down wages, working conditions and access to services.

It needs to be addressed. Just like we need to have an adult conversation on the NHS rather than hiding behind dead children.

Well, since she clearly did not make a dig about the fact that someone's child had died but made a very valid criticism about the cynical manipulation of a bereavement to close down debate, I think I'm justified at thinking that anyone who thought otherwise can't actually read. What I also think is that most of the frothers never even read the tweet at all and are frothing without knowing what it actually said. And I don't think that's very laudable either.

I'm disabled, my husband and my children are my carers. I can sit here and tell you that DC's experiences of having a disabled person in the family would have been so far removed from ours that it doesn't bear thinking about.

I am in absolutely agony, crying with pain, but my spinal surgeon had to discharge me because they cut his clinics and he had too many new patients so he can't keep his chronic patients.

My OT was allowed to keep me on her list until this Govt came in and cut the LA budgets, now she's not. If I need anything it's a new referral and at least a 9 month wait.

How long is it to get transferred over from DLA to PIP? How many people have gone without money and transport?

The list is endless. I honestly don't know how DC has the gall to say he knows what it is like to care for someone who is disabled. Yes, he does as a millionaire with private nannies, not a Mr &Mrs X living on £10k a year relying on tax credits and DLA and desperate for respite!

I think we need to disagree to disgaree rabbit

I think its was a snide rushed twitter post , not a sensible, well thought out "valid criticism" . but yes technically speaking she did not make a dig- I stand corrected on that

Limited - I totally agree.

I read it differently...

I read it as comparing DCs experience of caring for his dying son vs the experience of other carers who are having benefit cuts.

She does not clarify that these other carers are dealing with a terminally ill child.

I am DHs carer and would rather do that, and take any benefit cuts, than deal with a dying child.

She strikes me as a professional victim. Cannot afford bread and jam? Bollocks. I was on benefits for 2 years and always managed to get groceries. One of my relatives gets £15 taken out of his jsa a week to pay court fines and he can always eat.

Has it not occurred to her why she is unemployable? I employ minimum wage workers and I would not touch her with a bargepole. She would drive me, other staff and customers round the bend with her attitude.

Oh please, criticising Jack Monroe's tweet is not colluding with Cameron or anyone else

If opposition politicians allow an important debate about the NHS to be shut down because Cameron mentions his son then they are doing us all a disservice. They have a responsibility to challenge him and to protect our services.

Jack's tweet was misguided. It's detracted attention from the issue because it was badly-worded, mean-spirited and tbh hypocritical from someone who actively uses her DS in her own career.