To never want anyone to champion Jack Monroe again?

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After what she has tweeted about David Cameron. here

Like him or loathe him to describe the way he talks about his deceased son as 'misty eyed' and used for political gain is disgusting.

The greatest loss any of us can imagine is the loss of a child. Shock horror, even politician have real feeling. It's just awful that she would say that about another parent.

I don't care what she can do with a bloody lentil. Something's are just too low.

nancy66 I think you will find that people have every sympathy for their loss and do not doubt the love they had for their child.
you can still have sympathy for someone, yet think they are wrong

wet august what are you on about??

That photo is heartbreaking Nancy, so much pain.

I don't think they haven't been affect by their sons death becasue they are wealthy, I imagine their hearts have been broken by it.

However I do think having the money they have, means they would have been sheltered from some of the financial worry and anxiety felt by poorer people, who rely on disability/carer allowances.

agree Nancy 66

I hate the political undertones here, no matter what you think around someone politics you dont make fucking snipes about their dead child- some lines should not be crossed

I think she's an ordinary person who has started a blog and found herself in the spotlight and suddenly she is being asked to front up on the public eye.

One ill advised tweet and she is undergoing the sort if character assassination usually reserved for politiciansdictators and serial killers.

I think there is some truth in what she said but it was poorly expressed.

She is allowed an opinion. It doesn't make her 'vile' or 'dreadful' it doesn't justify people threatening her or her child's safety or questioning her entire existence.

And while we continue to abuse one woman fir a crass remark, austerity pushes on and the rich get richer.

Nancy I don't agree with that at all. I cried when Ivan died. I felt incredibly sorry for them, you can see the pain etched on their face.

But, that does not change the fact that their experience of caring for a disabled child is different to the vast majority of people in this country. It does not change the fact that he has used it to close down debate, and it does not change the fact that in his 2014 Conference speech, when talking about the NHS he said "for me this is personal" and went on to talk about how he had gone to hospital night after night with a sick child in his arms (while the cameras zoomed in on Samantha who was welling up) and told us the NHS was safe with him!

the fairy- I get it. but she has shot herself in the foot about making the point in such a crass and cruel way, and probably fuckled up her career too.

she could have said it more elegantly and intelligently - oh well! whats done is done

fromparistoberlin73 Tue 25-Nov-14 15:07:02
agree Nancy 66

I hate the political undertones here, no matter what you think around someone politics you dont make fucking snipes about their dead child- some lines should not be crossed

post like these actually prove the point.
no one can say that dc should not use his loss to shut down debate.
if they do they get called names and stuff.
yet a lot of us are actually the very people affected by the things he is shutting debate down on(hope that makes sense)
there needs to be strong debate about how disabled people are bing treated.
DC should never shut that down, but he does
and then people shift the blame to Ed or who ever,

but as this post I copied shows.. then he would be slammed for that.

She didn't make snipes at his dead child!

She made snipes at him using his dead child in debates and in his speeches to reassure us the NHS is safe with him (as if)!

That is why Twitter is so awful. The sort of comment you might make perhaps to sympathetic company is not appropriate to broadcast to all and sundry. Whatever you thought privately, you would never make such a comment to a person's face, yet when it's into the ether it's fair game.

I think having x many followers on Twitter also gives people a heightened sense of their own importance and they believe anything they say is relevant and of worth. I think there should be a delay button before you can tweet anything as once it's out, it's out.

I never realised there were so many utterly vile people out there who were so ready to support remarks made about a father's reaction to his son's death.

utterly vile

wetaugust what are you on about? you seem hell bent on making this thread something it isn't
perhaps you want it deleted,

It has nothing to do with how much money the Camerons have.

It has everything to do with David Cameron shutting down debate on welfare and the NHS by invoking the memory of his dead son.

And it's not just lefties saying that he uses those shifty tactics to stifle debate.

Simon Heffer and Andrew Pierce of the Daily Mail and Damian Thompson of The Daily Telegraph say it too in other contexts - usually Europe. There are other political commentators, mostly on the right.

They just might not be saying it this time but that doesn't mean to say he doesn't do it.

He can't debate. When cornered, he turns on the waterworks.

WetAugust she never made any comments about his reaction to his son's death. Are you reading the same stuff as everyone else?

fromparistoberlin - yes, I agree. I've been thinking about it today. It's the WAY she made the point, not the point she made that's been eating at me. I like her, I like books, I like what she stands for, but this just didn't sit well with me and I've been mulling why.

another Tweet from her:

"And that his experience of caring for Ivan was not comparable to experiences of others, many of whom are now victims of welfare cuts. End"

Absolute bollocks. If I had to make the choice of being wealthy but watching my disabled son suffer and die, and being broke on benefits with a healthy child I would choose benefits any day.

She strikes me as a professional victim. Poor me, cannot afford to eat. FFS I have been on benefits and always had enough to get basic food. Perhaps she should have prioritised her groceries over all them tattoos.

Fairy. Bollocks. She accused him of being quote misty-eyed. I would be misty-eyed too if I had lost a child. I expect she would be misty-eyed if her son died. How dare she presume to know how much support he had compared to others? words fail me.

You really are trying to defend the indefensible.

While this vile apology for a person continues to tweet her poison

you know what the biggest problem is? It's that you indulge her.

She's revealed what she is. It's not pretty and yet you defend her.

That's what's wrong.

She comes across as bat shit crazy to be honest.

i very much doubt that cameron would have been affected by the cuts to benefits and services

I know somebody who worked with her when she did that Benefit Street debate on TV and they said she was an absolute pain in the arse to deal with.

Chippy, rude and unpleasant to everyone

I never realised there were so many utterly vile people out there who were so ready to support remarks made about a father's reaction to his son's death.

utterly vile

No, the thing that is utterly vile is the cynical attempt to use the death of the child to close down debate, which DC has done time and again and which certain posters in this thread Wet are trying to do here.

JM's remarks were about DC's behaviour now - which is despicable - not his reaction to his son's death 5 years ago.

I thought it was appalling of her.

I am definitely not a Cameron fan. Can't stand him. BUT if you have a disabled child, as he did and I do, you do spend a massive amount of time dealing with the NHS.

And for all its faults, you feel hugely, hugely, hugely grateful to the many wonderful people you meet who work for it.

I didn't have views on JM before but now I do and I think she is vile.

IveGotThree you do understand she was defending the NHS, and defending all the other, non-millionaire disabled children and their carers who rely on it, don't you?

Okay ... I'd be grateful if someone could tell me how EM is responsible for the death of the NHS (or any other foul-up). He isn't the PM and his party isn't in charge so how on earth can anyone with half a brain think that this is his fault? Or how Labour were responsible for the worldwide recession that started in the US, caused in part by Thatcher's loosening of banking regulations? Especially when the coalition takes no responsibility for the recession during their term.

But back to the point; DC deliberately and consciously uses his son to stop any debate. I wish some people would stop wringing their hands about how a justified calling-out of this is mean, wah wah wah, and bloody well understand the effect of current policies on hundreds of thousands of disabled people now. That's really worth your tears.