To hate the "let it go" Frozen song and its sexist attitude?

[Inboxer]

It's played to death and not even that good! Also hate Elsa's "makeover" which abruptly occurs when she's singing about being true to herself. Clearly nothing depicts female emancipation to children as clearly as high heels and a glitzy slashed-to-the-thigh dress!! I suppose it's to much to ask for Disney to really allow Elsa to "let it go" i.e. sprout some armpit hair, stick on a pair of trackies and watch a bit of X Factor with a large bag of Doritos!

Why is there this assumption that everything aimed at children should carry the right feminist message? Not everything has to be about feminism thankfully.

Slithy - agreed up to a point (and I think Kristoff is a nice bloke, and also within the limitations of a 90 minute film it would be impossible to do properly). But was just struck on re-watching it on DVD the other day that my initial "thank goodness, sensible model for relationships" relief when I saw it in the cinema may have been overdone.

Woowoo - did you not get the memo from feminist central committee? Or failing that, have you not noticed how everything is absolutely in accordance with feminism these days... pop songs, soap opera story lines, adverts, Hollywood blockbusters (they all pass the Bechdel test these days, didn't you know?) And mothercare now carries no girls clothes in pink at all, can't get a pink toddler dress for love nor money.

woowoo I agree with you I really don't think Disney princesses are a femminist issue, girls grow up into functional thinking women having watched Disney films

Functional thinking women who remain in utterly shit relationships, if the relationship board here is anything to go by!

I've just watched it for the third time today with my sick DS :(

YABU as I don't credit people with any intelligence at all who refer to the shambles of a tv programme that is supposed to resemble a talent show

That isn't Disney s fault that they stay in shit relationship s fgs

I am enjoying this thread very much

1. I don't think Ana & Kristoff are necessarily in a serious relationship at the end of the film? I've only seen it once, but I think they kiss each other, that's all, with no implication this is going to be a long term thing

2. Of course kids all want to be Elsa, she's the one who does the amazing ice magic!

I hate it too, but only because its hideous.

Never seen Frozen. Never want to.

Hate the shouty singing and banal words though.

My kid wants to be Anna, because she is a younger sister.

She is also wicked smart and understands that Anna is the one who has the adventure.

She always gets to be her preferred character because everyone else wants to ponce about pretending to have powers.

Also Do You Wanna Build a Snowman is her favourite of the songs.

I think the storyline and the lyrics are fine. Not brilliant, but better than most movies. The women as decoration meme is somewhat annoying to me. But it is firmly entrenched in society and while Disney started to wake up to the changing role of women a while ago, they aren't challenging any cultural stereotypes.

I'm more depressed by the unwavering acceptance of this standard by fringe sub-cutures. I hardly see the point of complaining about it in mainstream culture when we can't even find counter-culture challenges to this way of thinking any more. No one seriously questions the huge dichotomy between expectations on men and women when it comes to personal appearence beautifying our world.

Both my dc says they would want to be Elsa because she has the powers. I get the point about Elsa's looks, but I think we might be careful about ascribing adult motives to DC.

I went to see Frozen 2 and actually liked some of the songs.

I read somewhere that the guy who wrote the film or story or song based it on his type one diabetic son who was so ashamed of his condition he used to hide from everyone so if you look at it from that point of view it's naff all to do with feminism it's about a little boy learning to accept himself as he is and letting go of all his insecurities

@berryhead2013

I never knew that.

Storylines and heroines penned by men are always going to risk reflecting a skewed view of girls' and women's inner life, I think.

And WooWooOwl, I do think we have a responsibility as adults to ensure children of both (all?!) genders and proclivities meet a range of characters and narratives that reflect life in its diversity. A solid diet of passive princesses awaiting rescue is bad for everyone's expectations. Hollywood and Disney do no favours to anyone. Disney in particular has tried to hijack and merchandise childhood itself. It is the beast that never turns into a good Prince.

i hated Frozen the first time I saw it.

Everyone says it is about sisterly love.
I saw a movie about parents who totally ignore the normal child and lavish all their attention and care on the "special needs" child.

@NearlyGranny

It is just a fairy tail ... I remember watching Snow White at the cinema as a child and it was quite grim tbh Snow White was taken to the forest to be murdered and when set free by the huntsman. Then she was poisoned by her wicked step-mother who pretended to be a woman selling apples. I was about 6 years of age when I saw it and I didn't find it at all frightening or made me believe I was a princess waiting to be rescued by some handsome prince ... if only really life was full of handsome princes waiting to rescue us eh? lol

real life

My daughter was 6 when Frozen came out, and was Elsa mad. Nothing to do with the dress or hair colour, but because Elsa had the powers. It's incredibly sexist and condescending to assume that girls are so shallow.