To hate the "let it go" Frozen song and its sexist attitude?

[Inboxer]

It's played to death and not even that good! Also hate Elsa's "makeover" which abruptly occurs when she's singing about being true to herself. Clearly nothing depicts female emancipation to children as clearly as high heels and a glitzy slashed-to-the-thigh dress!! I suppose it's to much to ask for Disney to really allow Elsa to "let it go" i.e. sprout some armpit hair, stick on a pair of trackies and watch a bit of X Factor with a large bag of Doritos!

My dd 7 who has ASD loves it, tears the main thing.

But when Ana falls in love with hans within five minutes it is firstly ridiculed by kristoff and elsa and then explained as her being desperate for any affection. Compare to the fucking little mermaid where she marries the prince after never speaking to him and this is considered the happy ending

Having the princess realise her destiny is in her own hands and stop waiting for someone else to rescur her is feminist aS far as Disney goes!

Sorry, but there is no way you can argue that the Lion King, a film all about rightful make power, is feminist

I thought feminism and that was about respecting whatever women wanted?

Nope.

I think Let it Go is a belting tune.

I think you are right that it's a shame that her emancipation is depicted entirely through a glamorous makeover.

Even if she is doing it for "herself"

There is something I really like about frozen. One thing is the main characters are women.

My 2 boys really like the film and the song, my 12 yr old boy taught himself to play it on the piano and performed it at school.

I like it that it appeals to boys too.

Yes, the main characters being women. We were watching toy story 2 yesterday and I noticed that when the toys need to rescue woody, all the male toys go on their rescue mission while all the female toys tearfully wave them off. At least Ana goes on the rescue mission herself

Frozen is obviously an attempt by Disney to redress the (highly deserved) criticism of the past. But it still falls short, particularly in terms of messages about body image. Else's eyes take up most of her face and she has a typical Disney waistline:

www.buzzfeed.com/lorynbrantz/if-disney-princesses-had-realistic-waistlines

Frozen would have been far 'more' feminist if Anna hadn't fallen in love with Kristoff either. There was still the obligatory snog at the end of the film.

My eyes almost take up half my face as well. I don't have a Disney waistline though, so can I still be a feminist?

I cannot hate the song, I'd have to move out

My 13 yo DS plays it on the piano and my 5 yo DD sings along. Every day. At least 4 times.

I quite like the film, there are worse Disney films surely. The way Elsa frees herself from all the expectations and builds her palace does display strength imo. Antisocial but true to herself.

And thankfully an ending where there's no rescuing prince to save the doomed maidens.

I think maybe not everything I sexism against women. Maybe you need to "let it go"

I prefer this version:

"
My eyes almost take up half my face as well."

Really? Freak!

www.buzzfeed.com/jenlewis/if-disney-princesses-had-normal-size-eyes

Snow White was normal imo

inboxer - compared to all the other songs out there about ho's and rape and women just being seeing as sexual objects for mens pleasure and all played on radio 1 where all kids can listen, I think YABU. if you want to complain about a song with a negative portrayal of women, this isn't it. you need to get out more.

In fairness, the song itself is not at all sexist or misogynist etc, what pp seem to be talking about is the images which go along with the song.

As for those images, I see them as empowerment. Elsa has hidden herself away in practice, in looks, etc. Dark, restrictive, all covering clothes, hair tightly back etc.. This seems a way for her to be who see really wants. Light, sparkly, (like ice lol in case that was missed), slit in the dress so she can stride about, hair looser to show she is less repressed. No man involved whatsoever.

As for Anna, I think she is a great character. Emotionally defunct of course, but brave - willing to go off and rescue her sister, befriends and helps a stranger to get the help she needs, tries to climb a mountain with no experience. And I see kristoff as the supporting act to her star, not the other way around. In fairness, he is there more as a packhorse than a hero. And he doesn't even save the day! Anna does.

And true love is shown to be sisterly love (or friendship, as Olaf melting would have been an act of true love as well) rather than romantic male female love.

I think it's great. and I'm clearly far too over invested in this

And yes they have big eyes and tiny noses. But in fairness, so do the men except the baddies who are depicted with big noses for some reason

Everything - Mufasa and Surabi have a mutually respectful relationship. She remains a bastion of dignity against Scar and sends Nala off for help. If it wasn't for the number of hyenas, then I imagine that they would have overpowered scar themselves.

The hyenas seem equal in terms of power to each other with Whoopi's hyena leading the other two.

Nala is braver, stronger and more intelligent than Simba.

I'm not saying that it is perfect, but not dreadful either.

I find it word that although the main character is Anna, what with her being the one who had the big adventure and everything, all the little girls I know want to dress up as Elsa. I can only assume this is because they prefer her look / clothes and I find that a bit depressing.

Haha yeah they're pretty bloody huge. But I don't have a tiny waist or a tiny nose.

Why is it depressing that the little girls want to dress up as Elsa not Anna? Her dress is much nicer! I really wish I understood all this feminism stuff but in my experience its all gone a bit crazy. Finding it depressing that little girls would choose one dress over another, really? My LG has the Elsa dress because she loves singing and pretending she has ice powers, shes 4 and she also loves playing with her tool box and fixing things like mummy who is an engineer. Am i not being a feminist because i find both of these play scenarios of equal value to her??

Yes I find it depressing that not a single one I know wants to be the one who has the main adventure, and instead every single one wants to be the blonde with what they consider the prettier dress. Why do nine of them want to be Anna at all. It's weird and a bit sad.

None not nine!

I did ask mine why they wanted Elsa dresses rather than Anna but their response wasn't very illuminating. They are quite young though

Frozen isn't sexist you dont need to be a hairy dishevelled woman to be femminist they song is shite though I don't know why grown women love it so much

Not sexist at all. What harm if she throws of the cloak and changes into a light dress. The point of that is 'the cold never bothered me anyway'. She can now wear what she likes in her own place.

I also love the fact that Oaken (at the general store) is in a gay marriage with children. When he waves to his family in the sauna, you can clearly see his male partner/husband in there.

The message about not jumping into relationships quickly is a great one and reinforced throughout the film.