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AIBU?

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...to be deeply disappointed in my friend?

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Fabulassie · 19/10/2014 08:48

It's 8am - I just got home from some friends' house. We'd had a pleasant enough evening that went into the morning just sitting and talking and listening to music. They live near me, but in a dodgy neighbourhood, so one of my friends - a guy named W - walked me home. It was still dark out when we left (about 6am.) About a block from their house, we saw a girl walking towards us sobbing. I was expecting her to just be crying about some fight with a friend or a boyfriend or something. But when we got closer we could see that she was barefoot, walking a bit drunkenly and her dress was torn. So, we asked if she was alright and she started crying that she just wanted to go home.

She lived somewhere pretty far away - on the far side of the very worst neighbourhoods. She had scratches on her chest and a bruise on her face and one strap of her dress was torn and she had no shoes or purse. So was saying she wanted a taxi and could we get her a taxi but was just incoherent and crying.

At first I thought about the logistics of calling her a taxi. We were on a residential street and didn't know what address to give. And, how could she pay for a taxi with no money? It seemed to me that she was in no condition to be sent into a taxi - I wasn't even sure if she could give her address. I said, "Do you want me to call the police?" and she was wailing that she wanted to go home and I said, "I really think you need the police." And she said, "OK. Call the police."

And this is where shit got weird. W goes, "No, no. Don't call the police. They'll just ask a bunch of questions. Call her a taxi." I said, "No taxi is going to take a half-naked hysterical woman with no money. She needs the police." He said, "No. No police, man. Just get her a taxi and let her go home." I said, "No - I am calling the police." And W said, "I don't want to be involved. I'm going" and he walked away towards his flat.

So, I called the police, managing to give them the intersection we were standing in. The girl was sobbing hysterically and crying - I was hugging her and she was crying "I'm so sorry! I'm so sorry!" over and over. I hugged her and rubbed her back and said it would be alright and she started to cry "Please don't leave me - I'm so sorry! Please don't leave me!" So I hugged and shushed her like a baby and told her of course I was going to stay and no need to be sorry. The police came in a couple of minutes (two cars and about four cops) and she clung to me for a couple of minutes until we coaxed her into sitting in the car. I asked if I could sit with her a bit and they said I could so I rubbed her shoulder and patted it until she seemed to be able to start to talk to the police. I didn't understand what she was saying - something about some men in a taxi - and once I could tell that she was OK talking to them and didn't need me I figured I should go. I didn't think it was my business to listen to her story, for some reason. It felt like rubbernecking and she didn't seem to need me anymore - the police were very kind and supportive and I figured I should go. The police agreed (they have my name and number) and I left.

W called me right away - he'd been watching from his balcony and wanted me to come the other way and he'd walk me home. So, he walked me home. And I asked him why he'd left and wanted to avoid the police. He said that he didn't want to be involved and be asked a lot of questions. "I think that girl is probably just making drama. She's drunk." I said she had a torn dress, scratches and bruises, no shoes, and it looked like her weave had been pulled from her head on one side. Something violent had happened to her. "Yeah, maybe. I don't know. You should have just called a taxi."

We stopped at McDonald's (the original plan as we were hungry but in truth I had no appetite) and I was just really puzzled and wanted to ask him more about it but I didn't want to be naggy about it - it bugged me, though. I said, "What would you have done if I hadn't been there?" "I would have ignored her. I dunno. Maybe called her a taxi." Then he said, "That's a really bad neighbourhood. A girl was dragged into the bushes right by there and raped by a guy with a knife this summer."

So he would have just let her walk through there - clearly vulnerable to anyone who wanted to prey on a drunk, hysterical woman. And I always thought of him as a really nice person - I consider him a pretty good friend. I am just really shocked and disappointed. At most, he would be contacted by investigators or maybe - just maybe - be asked for testimony in court should someone be tried for a crime. And he said, "Yeah, that's what I don't want. I don't want to answer a bunch of questions, like I'm the guilty one." He did say something about how in his home country, the police may just lock someone up because they were at the scene of a crime, even if all they did was report it. So, maybe he has a distrust of the police. But he knows that that is now how it is in England.

It was an alarming and upsetting thing to encounter someone in such distress in the first place and my friend's reaction to it has really disturbed me, as well. I don't hate him or anything but I am very disappointed in him and I have lost a lot of respect for him.

I had mentioned to the girl serving us at McDonald's that we'd come across a woman who seemed to have been violently attacked and she just laughed and said, "Oh, typical night around here!"

I'd also posted something abbreviated about it on Facebook (not all the details about my friend W's behaviour, but just that I'd called the police to help a hysterical woman in a torn dress who had clearly been attacked) and someone I don't know that well has just commented "LOL... must have been a Saturday night!"

Am I crazy? AIBU to think that this is a shocking and awful thing and that everybody else's reaction is bizarre?

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CatKisser · 19/10/2014 08:51

Well, the FB people are irrelevant because they weren't there and will have comment flippantly without realising how awful it was.

But your friend's attitude stinks. Really stinks. Not wanting to get involved is not a good reason to ignore someone in distress and hurt - drunk or not.

however · 19/10/2014 08:53

Not crazy. Not unreasonable. I hope she is ok.

LEMmingaround · 19/10/2014 08:54

He obviously has form with the police. Avoid

Fabulassie · 19/10/2014 08:59

I don't think he has any personal reason to avoid the police - no police record or anything like that. I don't think he has any criminal background, himself. I just think he thought it was stupid drunk girl drama and he didn't want to be bothered?

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GilesGirl · 19/10/2014 09:01

Your friend's attitude was horrible and I'm not sure I could still be friends with him after that.

No wonder rape goes unreported in the world. No one wants to listen.

Flowers to you for helping her and getting her help.

maddy68 · 19/10/2014 09:05

I would guess that he has a history with the police. And that's the reason he didn't want to give his name or become involved I would not probe. Sounds like he has something to hide and something he doesn't want to share

wowfudge · 19/10/2014 09:06

Lousy attitude from your friend. Does he have a reason to fear the police himself? His behaviour was odd and pathetic. At least he did one thing to redeem himself - he made sure you got home okay.

If the police find that this poor woman was attacked, they may get back to you for a full statement and when you tell them about your friend they'll probably want a statement from him too.

Fabulassie · 19/10/2014 09:07

It was all very upsetting - I mean, just encountering someone in that sort of distress would have me amped up and upset for a while, but W's attitude has really made it all so much more sour. Like, if he'd been on the same page as me I think we could have sort of supported one another a bit and it would have been a bit easier to recover from the shock of the incident. I suppose I'm being selfish, here, as clearly this was all much more upsetting for the girl.

(Incidentally, for those who may wonder: from what I heard her say, it may not have been a sexual assault but instead a disagreement where they kicked her out of the taxi and when she refused to get out, pulled her out by her hair. It may, indeed, have been stupid drunk girl drama of some sort. But at the time I called the police and W walked away, it certainly looked as if she'd been raped or something. It's not our job to decide if she's a "proper" sympathetic victim.)

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Spindarella · 19/10/2014 09:08

YANBU.

Twoangelfeet · 19/10/2014 09:08

OP I wish somebody like you had been around when it happened to me. Flowers and Cake for you.

Your friend sounds like an arsehole and I'd be really disappointed too. My immediate thoughts were that he has something to hide from the police. If not then I don't know why a man would desert a young woman who is clearly in need of help like that. Are you close friends?

Fabulassie · 19/10/2014 09:09

"I would guess that he has a history with the police. And that's the reason he didn't want to give his name or become involved I would not probe. Sounds like he has something to hide and something he doesn't want to share"

I don't think that's the case as he's a pretty straight arrow and his immigration status indicates that he's not wanted for anything (recently granted Indefinite Leave To Remain.)

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Selks · 19/10/2014 09:11

You say that your friend is from a country where people are locked up because they happen to be at the scene of a crime. This explains his reaction to me...he was fearful.
I agree it's awful and sad that he reacted as he did, but his reaction seems based on his experiences. It does not mean that he has 'form' with the police at all. Many police forces around the world are highly corrupt and it can be dangerous to get involved with them in any way. I have a Mexican friend whose reaction to involving the police would be the same (although they would do everything else possible to help the girl).
Well done though OP for all that you did. Very well done.

Flywheel · 19/10/2014 09:12

You did a really good thing. Poor woman. I would be very disappointed in your friend too

Fabulassie · 19/10/2014 09:12

Yeah, I considered him a close friend. We've been getting closer as friends recently - he's the person I call when I'm feeling down and he'll cheer me up by hanging out with me and stuff. He's very chivalrous and kind towards his friends. But I now feel like I view him differently. I've lost respect for him.

I do know that there are a lot of drunk girls wandering barefoot through the vomit every Sunday morning here in Manchester. One does rather roll their eyes at it all (as they are taking their own walks of shame home!) But this girl seemed to have truly met with something nasty and sinister and was clearly very vulnerable.

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backbystealth · 19/10/2014 09:13

I also think he's got form. What country are you in? I wouldn't waste any more time thinking about his dreadful attitude and I would distance myself from him. I hope that poor young woman is going to be okay.

winkywinkola · 19/10/2014 09:14

Then he's just a walk on by kind of guy.

Not a decent person.

You're right to be upset with him.

I would certainly have a lot less regard for him.

UnwittingAccomplice · 19/10/2014 09:14

I would be disappointed too, if one of my friends behaved like that. Regardless of what went on, she was clearly in distress and she had clearly been assaulted in some way. So she needed help.

It's nasty victim blaming for him to suggest that she caused it ("drunk girl drama"). No one should ever be assaulted, I don't care what they do.

sonjadog · 19/10/2014 09:15

I would say that either he has history with the police that he hasn't told you about, or he has some experience or reason for not trusting them. He obviously felt strongly about it and doesn't want to tell you more, so I would respect his privacy and move on. Lucky for the girl that you were there too akd could help her.

winkywinkola · 19/10/2014 09:15

You op, on the other hand, are amazing.

That girl will always remember you always.

Fabulassie · 19/10/2014 09:17

You say that your friend is from a country where people are locked up because they happen to be at the scene of a crime. This explains his reaction to me...he was fearful.
I agree it's awful and sad that he reacted as he did, but his reaction seems based on his experiences. It does not mean that he has 'form' with the police at all. Many police forces around the world are highly corrupt and it can be dangerous to get involved with them in any way. I have a Mexican friend whose reaction to involving the police would be the same (although they would do everything else possible to help the girl).

Yeah - that is where I think he was coming from. I have a friend who was in a bus accident in rural Mexico and spent a few days in jail. His charge was "bleeding on a public highway." (Basically, he was being held ransom as a rich gringo until someone bailed him out.)

I could have taken a cab with her and paid for it. If she'd just been crying over a boyfriend dumping her I would have done so (as she was too drunk and vulnerable to be walking in that direction barefoot in the dark.) But it seemed to me that she'd been assaulted and needed the police. Also, the police would be easier and cheaper than trying to get a taxi at that hour, getting her to state her address, getting her there and coming back, etc. So, it wasn't like all of my motives were noble or anything.

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Booboostoo · 19/10/2014 09:17

You mention that W is from a different country - could it be a country where the police are really corrupt and violent? Could he have been victim to police violence? This could explain his behaviour but I am not sure if it would excuse it.

ilovesooty · 19/10/2014 09:19

Did you tell the police he was there too when you came across the girl?

Fabulassie · 19/10/2014 09:24

He's from Libya and he says the police there are corrupt in that way.

I didn't tell the police about him, no. They didn't ask. I'd told the dispatcher that I'd encountered a hysterical woman in a torn dress who looked to have been assaulted. (She could hear the woman wailing over the phone.) The police didn't really ask me many questions - they knew that a woman in a state had been found by a member of the public and they had no questions for me. The dispatcher had asked my name and confirmed that that was my personal phone number. The police focused entirely on getting her to talk to them and were perfectly OK with me leaving once she seemed able to talk.

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Penfold007 · 19/10/2014 09:25

Realistically you both made different choices. It maybe time to reconsider your friendship

Fabulassie · 19/10/2014 09:25

Thanks to everyone for letting me talk about this - it was all so shocking and I needed to be reassured that it was actually shocking and that I did do the right thing. (Well, I already knew that the right thing was to call the police. I just mean that I needed to be told that my reaction to everything was normal.)

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