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...to be deeply disappointed in my friend?

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Fabulassie · 19/10/2014 08:48

It's 8am - I just got home from some friends' house. We'd had a pleasant enough evening that went into the morning just sitting and talking and listening to music. They live near me, but in a dodgy neighbourhood, so one of my friends - a guy named W - walked me home. It was still dark out when we left (about 6am.) About a block from their house, we saw a girl walking towards us sobbing. I was expecting her to just be crying about some fight with a friend or a boyfriend or something. But when we got closer we could see that she was barefoot, walking a bit drunkenly and her dress was torn. So, we asked if she was alright and she started crying that she just wanted to go home.

She lived somewhere pretty far away - on the far side of the very worst neighbourhoods. She had scratches on her chest and a bruise on her face and one strap of her dress was torn and she had no shoes or purse. So was saying she wanted a taxi and could we get her a taxi but was just incoherent and crying.

At first I thought about the logistics of calling her a taxi. We were on a residential street and didn't know what address to give. And, how could she pay for a taxi with no money? It seemed to me that she was in no condition to be sent into a taxi - I wasn't even sure if she could give her address. I said, "Do you want me to call the police?" and she was wailing that she wanted to go home and I said, "I really think you need the police." And she said, "OK. Call the police."

And this is where shit got weird. W goes, "No, no. Don't call the police. They'll just ask a bunch of questions. Call her a taxi." I said, "No taxi is going to take a half-naked hysterical woman with no money. She needs the police." He said, "No. No police, man. Just get her a taxi and let her go home." I said, "No - I am calling the police." And W said, "I don't want to be involved. I'm going" and he walked away towards his flat.

So, I called the police, managing to give them the intersection we were standing in. The girl was sobbing hysterically and crying - I was hugging her and she was crying "I'm so sorry! I'm so sorry!" over and over. I hugged her and rubbed her back and said it would be alright and she started to cry "Please don't leave me - I'm so sorry! Please don't leave me!" So I hugged and shushed her like a baby and told her of course I was going to stay and no need to be sorry. The police came in a couple of minutes (two cars and about four cops) and she clung to me for a couple of minutes until we coaxed her into sitting in the car. I asked if I could sit with her a bit and they said I could so I rubbed her shoulder and patted it until she seemed to be able to start to talk to the police. I didn't understand what she was saying - something about some men in a taxi - and once I could tell that she was OK talking to them and didn't need me I figured I should go. I didn't think it was my business to listen to her story, for some reason. It felt like rubbernecking and she didn't seem to need me anymore - the police were very kind and supportive and I figured I should go. The police agreed (they have my name and number) and I left.

W called me right away - he'd been watching from his balcony and wanted me to come the other way and he'd walk me home. So, he walked me home. And I asked him why he'd left and wanted to avoid the police. He said that he didn't want to be involved and be asked a lot of questions. "I think that girl is probably just making drama. She's drunk." I said she had a torn dress, scratches and bruises, no shoes, and it looked like her weave had been pulled from her head on one side. Something violent had happened to her. "Yeah, maybe. I don't know. You should have just called a taxi."

We stopped at McDonald's (the original plan as we were hungry but in truth I had no appetite) and I was just really puzzled and wanted to ask him more about it but I didn't want to be naggy about it - it bugged me, though. I said, "What would you have done if I hadn't been there?" "I would have ignored her. I dunno. Maybe called her a taxi." Then he said, "That's a really bad neighbourhood. A girl was dragged into the bushes right by there and raped by a guy with a knife this summer."

So he would have just let her walk through there - clearly vulnerable to anyone who wanted to prey on a drunk, hysterical woman. And I always thought of him as a really nice person - I consider him a pretty good friend. I am just really shocked and disappointed. At most, he would be contacted by investigators or maybe - just maybe - be asked for testimony in court should someone be tried for a crime. And he said, "Yeah, that's what I don't want. I don't want to answer a bunch of questions, like I'm the guilty one." He did say something about how in his home country, the police may just lock someone up because they were at the scene of a crime, even if all they did was report it. So, maybe he has a distrust of the police. But he knows that that is now how it is in England.

It was an alarming and upsetting thing to encounter someone in such distress in the first place and my friend's reaction to it has really disturbed me, as well. I don't hate him or anything but I am very disappointed in him and I have lost a lot of respect for him.

I had mentioned to the girl serving us at McDonald's that we'd come across a woman who seemed to have been violently attacked and she just laughed and said, "Oh, typical night around here!"

I'd also posted something abbreviated about it on Facebook (not all the details about my friend W's behaviour, but just that I'd called the police to help a hysterical woman in a torn dress who had clearly been attacked) and someone I don't know that well has just commented "LOL... must have been a Saturday night!"

Am I crazy? AIBU to think that this is a shocking and awful thing and that everybody else's reaction is bizarre?

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LadyLuck10 · 19/10/2014 09:28

I truly believe in your friend's explanation and reaction! It sounds like my home country. You would rather not get involved in anything because you are terrified of being made a guilty party because of police corruption. Tbh he sounds exactly like how I would have reacted. And not because we have been guilty or anything to hide.

IloveJudgeJudy · 19/10/2014 09:28

Completely agree with Selks. It's hard to imagine if you've grown up in the UK where the police are mostly very approachable and not corrupt, but this is pretty unusual. I'll give you a small example. Many years ago in my 20s I lived in a West European country. My DB and his friend visited me. We went out and they lost me. It was before mobiles. They went to a police station for help as they would have done in the UK.. They got no help. These were teenagers.
In this country you are encouraged to approach a police officer. In most other countries you are not.

LEMmingaround · 19/10/2014 09:28

Him being from another country explains his reaction i think. He was probably scared. Benefit of the doubt i think.

Aeroflotgirl · 19/10/2014 09:29

I think he has been involved with the police or crime to feel such aversion to them. He may have committed a crime against a woman. His behaviour is uacceptable and I would seriously consider the future of your friendship.

ReadyToBreak · 19/10/2014 09:30

Oh yhe poor girl. Well done fab, need more people you around!

It is amazing how people from abroad can have such distrust of our police force simply because of the way their home country's force behaves and treats civilians.

It's very common!

Aeroflotgirl · 19/10/2014 09:31

His whole attitude was bad, she's making a drama, she's drunk, leave her type of thing. Not I am scared of the Police, they won't do anything. In my country they don't listen to you kind of thing.

LadyLuck10 · 19/10/2014 09:31

YY ILoveJudy

If you live in this country it's very easy to say call the police because you have faith in the system. If you live in a county where police are just as bad as criminals, the last thing you would do is get involved in a situation where the police may be called. Don't judge him op, because his situation does exist and it is something you couldn't imagine.

LittleBairn · 19/10/2014 09:32

YANBU I agree this man has probably had police involvement I would be suspicious of that sort of reaction.
You did the right thing, that poor woman.

Laphem · 19/10/2014 09:32

I think your friend's reaction is quite typical. Most people don't want to get involved. I remember having a conversation with my colleagues, nice middle class professionals in a social work dept. , actually one was a social work lecturer, and they said they would not stop to help someone in trouble in case it was a 'trap'. A friends pal did not call the police when she heard a woman screaming in her flat stairwell; turned out a guy had followed her In And tried to rape her. As a young teenager i was with a family friend, an adult I thought was a moral alternative kinda bit hippy guy, when a woman ran past screaming chased by a man who caught and attacked her. The guy I was with said to ignore it, we were not to get involved. I could go on. I think it is dreadful, but an awful lot of people don't want to get involved.
Good on you OP for bucking the trend.

BlinkingHeck · 19/10/2014 09:32

Could your friend have been in possession of drugs at the time, you wanted to call the police?

What country are you in? The language you used suggests it's not the UK.

Aeroflotgirl · 19/10/2014 09:33

The macdonalds worker attitude was bad too. It sounds like this poor woman was attacked and thus us what people think. Well done fab Smile

Fabulassie · 19/10/2014 09:35

I'm in England - but I am from another English-speaking country. My friend didn't have any drugs on him.

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ilovesooty · 19/10/2014 09:36

Blinkin the OP said Manchester.

maddening · 19/10/2014 09:37

Once in the midst of Saturday night in town - lots of people around - my fried and I saw a homeless man in distress - he was probably v intoxicated or on drugs, had obviously been attacked recently or fallen, he kept lying down and saying someone had taken his bag. We decided that he needed an ambulance, when we were calling them others around us had obviously overheard and came up to is telling us we were disgusting to be wasting an ambulance on him he was just drunk, we pointed out he had possibly been attacked and would probably be attacked again as he was lying in the gutter and attracting negative attention, this chap didn't agree - anyway - while we were waiting with him a car pulled up and some meat heads jumped out and started to have a go - I had to get in between them and luckily a police car and ambulance pulled up right then - then men jumped in their car and drove of shouting out the window - the man came over to apologise.

Some people seem to have a problem with helping someone who is drunk - it is their own fault that they are intoxicated but IMO is doesn't mean they shouldn't be helped if they need it - people are v vulnerable when they are drunk.

ilovesooty · 19/10/2014 09:38

I believe that in some countries refusing to stop to assist a victim of crime is a criminal offence.

Egghead68 · 19/10/2014 09:40

You did the right thing calling the police.

Out of interest what country did this happen in? Some of your language sounds North American (but some doesn't).

I'm hoping there aren't areas in the U.K. that are so bad that rape/assault is seen as par for the course.

Fabulassie · 19/10/2014 09:40

Laphem: "I think your friend's reaction is quite typical. Most people don't want to get involved. I remember having a conversation with my colleagues, nice middle class professionals in a social work dept. , actually one was a social work lecturer, and they said they would not stop to help someone in trouble in case it was a 'trap'. A friends pal did not call the police when she heard a woman screaming in her flat stairwell; turned out a guy had followed her In And tried to rape her. As a young teenager i was with a family friend, an adult I thought was a moral alternative kinda bit hippy guy, when a woman ran past screaming chased by a man who caught and attacked her. The guy I was with said to ignore it, we were not to get involved. I could go on. I think it is dreadful, but an awful lot of people don't want to get involved.
Good on you OP for bucking the trend."

Yes, I know that people can be this way but this girl was clearly harmless and vulnerable. I'll admit that when we first saw her down the street and heard her crying I made a sort of dry joke about "Oh, dear - looks like we're going to have to get involved in whatever her problem is." (From a distance she was just some drunk crying girl.) My friend willingly crossed the street and asked "Are you OK" simultaneously with me. So he seemed willing to be helpful - it was when I started talking about the police that he acted odd. Actually, when he said, "No, not the police. They'll ask a bunch of questions" I initially thought he meant something like, "No, she shouldn't talk to the police. They'll just upset her with a lot of questions." I didn't realise he meant himself! I was concerned that he was talking her out of calling the police!

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AlpacaLypse · 19/10/2014 09:41

Egghead this all happened in Manchester.

Egghead68 · 19/10/2014 09:41

Oh I see you are in England. Shocking that some areas are so bad.

Egghead68 · 19/10/2014 09:42

Cross-post

workingtitle · 19/10/2014 09:43

You did a really good thing and that woman will remember you always.

I think your friend's apprehension about the police is understandable, given that he's from Libya. But maybe there's a separate issue about minimising the state the woman was in and viewing things as 'girl drama' etc. That would worry me because it would make me wonder how he viewed women.

Superworm · 19/10/2014 09:45

You did a good thing. I think you need to talk to your friend about his behaviour. Too many people just don't want to get involved, it's very sad.

EhricLovesTheBhrothers · 19/10/2014 09:46

2 issues - firstly, I can understand his anxiety about the police. It took my XH a while to realise the police were actually going to follow the law. First time he got stopped and breathalysed (drove down a bus lane by accident at 6am) he was shocked at how respectful and professional they were. So I can understand completely his fear of police, if you grew up having to give the police a % of your day's earnings so they wouldn't beat you up and throw you in a cell overnight then you would have learnt to be wary too.

Secondly, his attitude towards this vulnerable, scared young woman was terrible. I'd like to believe he would have helped her if he had been alone but would he? Would he have waved her off into the night quite happily? And blamed her for being drunk? Only you know him here, that's for you to think about.

RiverTam · 19/10/2014 09:47

well, you've answered your own question - he's from a country where the police are corrupt and has suffered at the hands of corrupt police in the past. I'm not really sure why you're posting, tbh - if you just thought for a few minutes you would know the answer. And posting about the incident on FB? Why? Why on earth would you do that?

YANBU to help the woman, it's brilliant that you did. But I don't get why you'd post on FB, and knowing your friend's past history it's pretty clear why he didn't want to get involved with the police - clearly he did want to help the woman, just not with the police there too. He's not the baddie you're trying to make him out to be. We are all shaped by our experiences.

Why not try talking to him instead of posting on MN?

BalloonSlayer · 19/10/2014 09:48

Actually am I alone in thinking that the UK police may well have asked if it was actually him who had done this to the girl?

DH has memories of him and a couple of friends trying to report some trouble between a woman and an unknown man, which resulted in the police constantly saying to DH things like: "So [Dh's friend] was raping the girl?" (as if to "trip DH up" and "find the truth" Hmm ) DH had to keep reiterating: "No, myself and FriendA and FriendB heard a disturbance and a woman screaming, and we were worried that someone was being raped so we went to investigate and found this distressed woman." He said they seemed to be deliberately misunderstanding what they said and twisting it to imply they were actually the criminals, which made them all feel extremely nervous. This was in the UK but about 30 years ago though.